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Post by tomah on Mar 29, 2006 16:57:01 GMT -5
I am not saying it's prideful or lying brother, but I would say it's 'presumption'. Someone once came to Duncan Campbell and told him that he hadn't sinned in 'X' years. Campbell replied, "My dear brother, you've just broken the record." He called it the 'sin' of presumption and yet Campbell (like you) believed that it was possible not to sin, he just obviously didn't go around assuming that he hadn't sinned.
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 29, 2006 18:01:34 GMT -5
Armen,
You are assuming that I go around that way.
We are having a discussion on is it possible for Christians to walk morally perfect as Jesus did.
Biblically we haved proved that. It is easy to prove unless God is either lying or did not mean what he said. So after we prove that from the bible you guys turn around and ask us if we are without sin. After you ask us we have to respond truthfully. I am not commiting sin against God. I obey God. Sin has no more power over me. That is my testimony to the power of the blood of Jesus Christ. Now after I answer a question that we have tried to avoid, but you guys continue persisting to ask, and we give you a straight answer you assume we go around bragging about how we assume we are never sinning.
Sin must be against light, against knowledge, against conscience. Show me a definition or example in the New Testament of where people were going around sinning all the time and did not know it.
Of course if we say you guys are preaching partial repentance or you may have sin in your life then everyone is offended. You can make assumptions on us based on what we say, but we cannot make assumptions on you based on what you say.
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 29, 2006 18:03:04 GMT -5
Even if we were sinning all the time it would not matter because the Bible is plain that it is possible to live above sin.
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 29, 2006 18:06:47 GMT -5
Hey Armen, maybe I could blame my sin of presumption on you because you are the one that asked me about it and now I just sinned the sin of presumption because you pressured me into an answer. Just kidding.
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Post by tomah on Mar 29, 2006 19:08:36 GMT -5
Micah, I think i'll leave this topic. The reason is because I just don't know about either way for sure. I have been taught again and again that we sin daily...it's in every prayer meeting I attend. But I have such a strong desire to be as holy as possible, and there is nothing that I would put before God. My mum thinks that God gives me convictions that many others don't have and I need to be wise in teaching them to others because they see nothing wrong with it. It is probably because I want nothing but God in my life. Yet I struggle...not so much against 'sin' as in the commandments, but I have a conviction that i should probably be tithing my time to God in prayer and meditation every day. I do it some days, but not every day. I consider this probably to be sin. Oh I dunno...every blessing to you anyway!
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Post by Juli on Mar 29, 2006 19:27:09 GMT -5
I think this topic has degenerated into that which is unedifying and not ministering grace to the readers. As I believe both sides are now offended and/or frustrated there can't be much profit in pursuing it further at this time. I want to encourage everyone to bite their tongue and keep their attitude in the Spirit. No one wins if this turns into a bitter war of words. I have to agree...and I am sorry, I really am. I guess I just don't like being categorized as I have. Either way, I shouldn't have responded the way I did. I don't think I am going to post on this message board anymore at all. It's just not worth it to me... RevK, I'm with you. I don't feel led to post here anymore either. While there are some really insightful people who don't hold the same views as I do, (in fact they are opposites, you for one, and Steve and Grant) all of you don't come across as prideful, superior, judgmental or condemning. From what I know of scripture, that is the unity that comes by the Spirit. I so don't agree doctrinally with you guys, but for "some reason" our conversations on this board have not been reduced to biting at each other as Paul warns against - and I for one have no intentions of being "devoured" by anyone. I am challenged by you guys and you make me think - perhaps because your posts are made in the spirit of love and edification, and are not a prideful push of doctrine.
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Post by evanschaible on Mar 29, 2006 21:18:15 GMT -5
I think this topic has degenerated as well, for the ismple reason that people arent seeking to be edified and strengthened. Both sides read with presuppositions, calvinistic or arminianist, and hence, block out or try to refute the other point of view. I read both sides with an open mind and I ended up being "converted", if you like, to the side of sinlesness. I entered into an experience I couldnt define, and Jesse and Micah, through their persistance, defined it for me.
Someone wrote earlier that it is us that keep ourselves from sinning, us that ensures our final salvation, and us that ensures our holiness? You are right, you can keep yourself from sinning by abiding in Christ. You can keep yourself from sinning by surrendering all to Christ and the molding hand of the heavenly potter. You can keep yourself from sinning by letting God work in you the power to not sin. So really, NO, you cant keep yourself from sinning, but God can keep you from sinning.
This post is really degenerated ito personal attacks. Forgive me for even posing the starting question. I thank you guys again though for guiding to the right places. I again whole heartedly reccomend "The call to Christian Perfection" by Samuel Chadwick
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Post by Steve Noel on Mar 29, 2006 21:24:15 GMT -5
Evan,
As Priest of the theology boards I counsel you to say two hail marys and you will be forgiven.
Father Steve
;D
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Post by Josh Parsley on Mar 30, 2006 9:51:53 GMT -5
Thank you for your honesty. Faith surely does come by hearing. If you hear something long enough usually you believe it. That goes for the ones who believe that we can through Christ conquer all sin, and those who do not.
We always have to examine ourselves. We have to make sure what we believe is really true in our lives. If we believe that we sin everyday, is that really true? Do we transgress God's law everyday? If we believe that we do not sin everyday, are we being honest?
I guess each man has to be fully persuaded in his own mind.
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Post by rich on Mar 30, 2006 12:22:54 GMT -5
To All,
Thank you for your many posts on this thread. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading them. They have challenged me to become more vigilant in resisting the tempatation to sin, and have heightened my understanding of how much God hates sin. For this I am grateful.
Rich
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 30, 2006 15:57:24 GMT -5
Thank you Rich. May God be praised.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Mar 30, 2006 17:42:14 GMT -5
Excellent Rich!
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Post by Cake eater on Apr 14, 2006 12:20:10 GMT -5
When we eat a cookie or bite our nails, is it sin?
If I eat that extra piece of chocolate...I think this is sin. What do you guys think?
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Post by Santa on Apr 14, 2006 12:29:51 GMT -5
I am wondering if thoses who profess not to sin, still celebrate Christmas??
Seeing as it has a totally pagan origin. Eg. Yule logs, Christmas trees, lights, the date, the gifts under the tree...etc...all Pagan.
Really, I'm curious to see how this one gets justified
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Apr 14, 2006 12:40:06 GMT -5
I rejoice over the birth of Jesus Christ every day!
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Post by Cake eatersanta on Apr 14, 2006 13:09:24 GMT -5
Could you please answer the direct questions. I am sure I will grow from this in SOME way.
Please answer them!!
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Post by evanschaible on Apr 15, 2006 13:35:12 GMT -5
If you bite someone elses nails and they bleed to death, that is murder. If you eat cookies all day every day that is gluttony. But cookies and fingernails in and of themselves are not sin. Please, if you have serious questions ask, otherwise dont bther us.
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