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Post by biblethumper on Dec 5, 2006 19:23:45 GMT -5
Dan Corner has officially challenged me to a debate which will be posted on both our sites shortly.... pray for boldness, widom and clarity and humility as Goliath is confronted with the Word of God!
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Post by sjn on Dec 5, 2006 19:40:42 GMT -5
Dan,
What is the debate about? eternal security?
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Post by biblethumper on Dec 5, 2006 20:20:38 GMT -5
Dan, What is the debate about? eternal security? How'd you guess?
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Post by tbxi on Dec 5, 2006 22:38:54 GMT -5
Wow. I thought he would only debate more high-profile people. This surprises me.
Good luck, man. I'll pray for you.
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Post by alan4jc on Dec 5, 2006 23:32:26 GMT -5
Dan Corner has officially challenged me to a debate which will be posted on both our sites shortly.... pray for boldness, widom and clarity and humility as Goliath is confronted with the Word of God! Hey Dan, I will pray for you but I won't pray for clarity because then you won't have to trust God.(not my own words..quoted from someone else..good thought though.
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Post by evanschaible on Dec 6, 2006 2:56:28 GMT -5
Dan,
Is this the wisest choice? Dan Corner is one the most versed defenders of conditional security today. he has defeated many heavily influential people in the church.
Conditional security is an undefeatable doctrine. I pray that Dan Corner will take it easy on you. ;D
-Evan
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Post by biblethumper on Dec 6, 2006 9:28:51 GMT -5
Evan, to state Dan Corner is "one the most versed defenders of conditional security today" is not wise; Dan Corner is a lying, demeaning, fraudulent con artist who calls Ray Comfort, Charles Spurgeon and other great Men of God "ministers who teach a license to sin".
Dan Corner is a master at telling fairy tales.
Dan Corner does NOT teach Conditonal Security; he teaches a perversion of the doctrine... he rather teaches a license to sin, stating one can be saved, re saved and resaved over and over and over each time he "sins" or "backslides".
Dan Corner is myriad times more dangerous than any HYPER Calvinist.
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Post by tbxi on Dec 6, 2006 9:38:44 GMT -5
Enh... I think what evan means is that Corner has a lot of experience. While he does misrepresent Ray Comfort (I agree 100% on that) and many others, the guy does know his stuff. After all, he wrote a "shocking 801 page book" on the subject.
Saying he teaches a license to sin is just as invalid and unfair as saying Calvinists teach a license to sin. Less valid, I think. Yes, technically you could sin, repent, sin, repent, but according to him, you would not be secure during this process.
I disagree that CS is undefeatable. But frankly, I do not think anything but consistent Calvinism can defeat it (I might be wrong though). Dan, he will probably take advantage of the fact that you believe final apostasy is possible for a believer.
Is this going to be a public debate?..
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Post by oap001 on Dec 6, 2006 9:43:42 GMT -5
Dan Corner has officially challenged me to a debate which will be posted on both our sites shortly.... pray for boldness, widom and clarity and humility as Goliath is confronted with the Word of God! God bless you Dan..I'm definitely on side with you on this one. Remember, the Bible doesn't have to be defended...once it's opened, it can defend itself.
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Post by tonyholland on Dec 6, 2006 9:55:14 GMT -5
Dan Corner is a lying, demeaning, fraudulent con artist I certainly hope that isn't what you will be saying in your greeting at the beginning of the debate ;D Good luck Bro!!
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Post by biblethumper on Dec 6, 2006 10:52:13 GMT -5
Dan Corner is a lying, demeaning, fraudulent con artist I certainly hope that isn't what you will be saying in your greeting at the beginning of the debate ;D Good luck Bro!! Nope; I already told it to him after listening to his lies about Spurgeon and Comfort.
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Post by biblethumper on Dec 6, 2006 10:54:30 GMT -5
Dan Corner
by James Jacob Prasch
Moriel has warned that the outlandish attacks by Dan Corner on Dave Hunt, John Mac Arthur, Charles Spurgeon, John Wesley (and alas Jacob Prasch) are based upon intentional distortion and misrepresentation of their beliefs.
His documented statements testify not only to his charlatanism and biblical ignorance , but to his personal dishonesty. Regarding some of Corner's statements (particularly about Charles Spurgeon), it would be difficult to find a euphemism for "slandering lies". His fanciful mishandling of scripture are not simply bad exegesis, but are theologically fraudulent.
While Moriel & Jacob Prasch are not Calvinistic and do not accept unconditional 'Once Saved Always Saved' (as neither did John Wesley), a distinction must be made between moderate Calvinists and extreme ones.
While we do not agree with John Mac Arthur on a few issues (his interpretation of eternal security and cessationism), most of his ministry is otherwise very good. We also without reservation continue our endorsement of Dave Hunt.
Dan Corner's nonsense deserves no attention, so we only respond in brief in case anyone comes across second hand misinformation disseminated by this seemingly obsessed religious phony. Again, there is no excuse for his repeated bearing of false witness against godly men like Charles Spurgeon or his vehement attacks on Dave Hunt, and his ridiculous level of biblical ignorance speaks for itself.
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Post by evanschaible on Dec 6, 2006 11:42:35 GMT -5
Dan,
I may not agree with all of his methodology in defending and propogating his stance - I must say he does indeed know the bible. Despite his method, be careful Dan.
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Post by jackjackson on Dec 6, 2006 14:57:30 GMT -5
Dan and Dan:
One word of advice, neither should make this personal. I will pray for a fair debate by both you, one that will glorify God, not either one of you. I have spoken to Dan Corner several times and happen to like him. I even like Thumper even when we don't agree (I especially like his pictures with the Mormons and goats). That being said: I am looking forward to this because I have read Dan's book and know he knows his subject inside and out, and defends every point not by opinion, but by the way he (and many others also) reads his Bible.
The only way you could "win" Thumper is to get him to agree to change his interpretation of how he reads certain scriptures. In the same matter he will try and show you by scripture your interpretations are wrong.
As long as you both are seeking what is true and humbly willing to accept it, and not just trying to just win a debate: maybe we can all learn something.
Thumper, you have a tendancy to appear to flip flop (Wow, maybe you really are Thumper), this is your biggest weakness here. If you do this in your debate, Dan Corner will eat your lunch.
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Post by sjn on Dec 6, 2006 16:55:37 GMT -5
Dan when is this going to take place?
Is it a written debate (email)?
Also,
If you believe that Corner is not a Christian, then is it really useful to debate doctrine with a non Christian?
Steve
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Post by biblethumper on Dec 6, 2006 17:00:13 GMT -5
Hi steve.... I believe it would be beneficial to BIBLICALLY debate Dan Corner as it could result in his turning from a works-based message to the Cross.
Acts 17:16-17
Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry.Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.
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Post by Tony Cruz on Dec 6, 2006 17:23:30 GMT -5
Go for it bro and dont be intimidated by how knowledgable he might be in the word. Do what scripture says and allow the Holy Spirit to speak through you. He has done it with me where im not even listening to what the other person is saying and only hearing the Spirit and He will bring scriptures to your remembrance so dont get nerves and let the Holy Spirit do the rest.
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Dec 6, 2006 17:46:46 GMT -5
I think that when we start having an Open Air Outreach annual conference, we'll arrange some formal debates over Eternal Security verses Conditional Security, Original Sin verses Personal Sin, etc etc.
I personally would love to formally debate against OSAS. With so many scriptures to use, it doesn't seem very hard.
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Post by dale on Dec 6, 2006 19:56:03 GMT -5
Who the hell is Dan Corner? Never heard of him? ?
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Post by tbxi on Dec 6, 2006 21:00:49 GMT -5
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Post by dale on Dec 6, 2006 21:34:49 GMT -5
Ill check the guy out as time permits, as I barely have time to even mess with the Christians on the board this month.
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Post by josh on Dec 6, 2006 23:30:06 GMT -5
I personally would love to formally debate against OSAS. With so many scriptures to use, it doesn't seem very hard. I know, it wouldn't be a hard debate to win with the Bible supporting Peserverance of the Saints.
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Post by Kerrigan on Dec 6, 2006 23:46:44 GMT -5
I personally would love to formally debate against OSAS. With so many scriptures to use, it doesn't seem very hard. I know, it wouldn't be a hard debate to win with the Bible supporting Peserverance of the Saints. Amen Josh!
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Post by Miles Lewis on Dec 10, 2006 23:40:52 GMT -5
Maybe we could fly Josh up to the states to have a debate That would be really great.
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Post by evanschaible on Dec 11, 2006 12:42:31 GMT -5
Dont start anything Miles...
You know the OSAS camp doesnt even think we are saved ;D (JK)
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Post by josh on Dec 12, 2006 21:35:32 GMT -5
Maybe we could fly Josh up to the states to have a debate That would be really great. Wouldn't be debating if I come to the States, would be out preaching around the place. ;D
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Post by josh on Dec 12, 2006 21:36:03 GMT -5
You know the OSAS camp doesnt even think we are saved ;D (JK) Well now that you come to mention it....
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Post by Jesse Morrell on Dec 12, 2006 21:40:29 GMT -5
We just may start up our annual conference this year.....you'd be more then welcome to join us Josh for a formal debate.....or at least for some open air preaching.....
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Post by josh on Dec 12, 2006 21:54:15 GMT -5
We just may start up our annual conference this year.....you'd be more then welcome to join us Josh for a formal debate.....or at least for some open air preaching..... God willing I plan to be in the US in early 2008 for a conference. So I may have to meet up with you guys then. Would have to consider the formal debate bit, but would be joining you to preach the gospel.
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Post by Miles Lewis on Dec 13, 2006 0:16:14 GMT -5
The debate was really just an excuse to get you up here. I'd love to see ya again mate.
Good on ya!
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