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Post by dale on Sept 11, 2006 21:25:00 GMT -5
Patriot, how do you KNOW you wills ee your loved ones after death and we won;t? Proof please.
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Post by dale on Sept 11, 2006 21:29:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the lead. Patriot, I will have to check out Crowley..
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Post by oap001 on Sept 11, 2006 23:57:50 GMT -5
Thanks for the lead. Patriot, I will have to check out Crowley.. You'll find that you philosophy on life is the same as his. As for knowing I will see my loved ones. The Bible was written, so that we all can know, that we may have eternal life.
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Post by dale on Sept 12, 2006 8:01:39 GMT -5
Oh for the love of whatever....
1. Oddly enough when i took one of those stupid My Space polls about what religious leader are you, it came up as Crowley . I have forgetten about that.
2. Again you try to use the Bible as PROOF with people who do not believe in the Bible and I just KNEW you were going to say this. Outside of what you would have rea din this Christian version of Grimm's Fairy tales, what PROOF do you have. How do you KNOW this? I am gonna be like Evan for a minute. This is up to YOU to prove.
3. Aren;t we getting sidetracked as this thread was supposed to be for people posting what their story was and why/how they were saved or unsaved?
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Post by valentine on Sept 12, 2006 14:21:59 GMT -5
3. Aren;t we getting sidetracked as this thread was supposed to be for people posting what their story was and why/how they were saved or unsaved? Yep, but that's what he wants. He can't accept that people believe different things than he does and must turn it into an argument. Not sure why you persist in this, pacp. I accept your beliefs--and accept that I won't change them. (Yes, yes, we know that you are worried about my souuuul, so let's try to think of another reason.) I'm not arguing with people in this thread. This is what happened to me, I've shared a very personal thing with people who by all rights don't deserve that kind of trust, and it's not up for debate. PS: I find it funny that I apparently remind two people of their wives in this thread.
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Post by oap001 on Sept 12, 2006 16:34:40 GMT -5
3. Aren;t we getting sidetracked as this thread was supposed to be for people posting what their story was and why/how they were saved or unsaved? Yep, but that's what he wants. He can't accept that people believe different things than he does and must turn it into an argument. Not sure why you persist in this, pacp. I accept your beliefs--and accept that I won't change them. (Yes, yes, we know that you are worried about my souuuul, so let's try to think of another reason.) I'm not arguing with people in this thread. This is what happened to me, I've shared a very personal thing with people who by all rights don't deserve that kind of trust, and it's not up for debate. PS: I find it funny that I apparently remind two people of their wives in this thread. I will not argue either. I was just answering your request for comments. Dale, The fact is, Crowley, Leary, the Beatles. you guys all embrace their philosophy on life. Do what you want to do, if it feels good do it. And the darkest days of Israel was when every man did what he thought was right in his own mind. They all went astray... Without the Bible we could not know right from wrong. Who is to say you, or Val, or Crowley is wrong then. I mean isn't that a little narrow minded..intolerant??
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Post by dale on Sept 12, 2006 21:03:39 GMT -5
1. More assumption on your part, Patriot, but I am coming to expect such.
2. Valentine, myself and a few others, including The Patriot, took time out to give our testimony or testimony in reverse. She seems top indicate she shared more than she would have really wanted and I, myself, would have sooner not put these thigns about me into print as some of them bring back legitimate bad memories. Patriot, for better or worse, also took the time to speak about himself, then predictably turned it into a typical and boring witness, but he did respond telling about himself somewhat.
My question is, why no one else, even the boirnagainers, have played on this thread. There is an open opportunity to speak about yourselves and how or why youa re as you are.
I have played fair on this threa dat least. Why do so many others choose to not do the same. Is rattling on some lame parables and telling me or the rest of us the best you can do? Why cannot some of you join in and tell us about yourselves . I can make fun of you on some other thread when you rattle off stupid parables, but here I am genuinely interested to see what makes yout icka nd the girl is too or she would have never begun this thread.
Why do so few of youc hoose to take part?
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Post by valentine on Sept 13, 2006 12:35:53 GMT -5
Dale: I didn't share anything that I didn't want to share. If I had the slightest doubt about it, I would never have posted it. While I can dream, I'm a realist, and I knew that the most likely response would be what Pacp said. Four years ago, I wouldn't have even been here because this board would have been a huge trigger for me. But I'm cool now. Call it a psychological experiment (coincidentally, I just got finished with conducting another one in real-life).
I just find it very telling that their reaction to such obviously personal information is to turn it into the exact same thing they say in every other thread on this board. I started the discussion to learn about people, and I find it very indicative who is doing the learning and who is doing the preaching. I kinda think certain members would do well to re-read the first post in this thread. Or maybe to ask Jules (who hasn't been around lately, but whatev).
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Post by dale on Sept 13, 2006 13:04:42 GMT -5
Well, what did you really expect from them? What amazes me is, at least as I see it, the utter contradiction in their behavior.
1. They like to accuse (dare I say "us" and speak of all the nonbelievers as a whole) of pride and arrogance, but their statements burn with the very same. They have no humility, no concern and no real compassion. To them we are not people. We are notches on a gun like in an old western film, a target to be saved so they can get credit for it in heaven and little else. Not only can they not get along with us, but they cannot even get along with their fellow christians. Note how everyone is wrong except this small, lunatic fringe of streetpreachers. Leave the "heathan threads" if you have the nerve and shop around. You see some really scary stuff. Go to the doctrinakl section and do not log on (hey, respect their terms) and you will see some truly illogical stuff. Thes people remind me of the pharisees their very Jesus spoke out against.
2. They really love to assume and presume. Because you are this, then therefore you must be this, this and this. Because you live here or go here, you must be this, this and this. because you say or think this, you must also think this, this and this.
3. They have come right out and said how foolish we are,s tupid we are and unintelligent we are, yet do you see us clinging to a fairy tale or if not that, at least a set of beliefs that lack conclusive proof of anything outside wishful thinking? They think of us as a bunch of monkeys in a monkey house, too ignorant to see the light they supposedly present, yet while considering how foolish they are, they do not realize how foolish they look to us. Everyone sees it but them.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 18, 2006 9:20:31 GMT -5
Here we go, here's my story.
When I was four or five my parents got divorced, shortly after my sister was born. We lived with our mom up until about 2 years ago, but I'll get to that eventually.
We lived in the same town, except we moved to a different house every couple of years. When I was going to be in 4th grade we moved to a neighboring town because mom had a boyfriend (Steve) and that was were his kids were going. He was a jerk, but during that school year I met some people I'm still friends with. That was also the time when my sister was molested by one of Steve's sons. I didn't find out till a few years ago. After a year they broke up and we moved back to the other town.
Again, every couple of years we got evicted or moved to another house. Some times it was because mum couldn't pay the rent for some reason. I have memories of having to keep quiet and turn off the lights so the landlord, who was at the door, would think we weren't there. Hell, one time when my dad came to give me driving lessons the cops pulled in and I had to lie in front of my dad (and he knew) and say mom wasn't home.
Dad didn't live that far away, but we didn't see him too often. Holidays definetely. Once I went trick-or-treating with his girlfriend's daughter. For as long as I can remember he's been with her. They never got married, because he and mom aren't officially divorced, just seperated. My dad and Shirley (girlfriend) are basically married. It was always weird at open houses at school to introduce mom, dad and shirley.
Besides Dad's family, mom's family lived in the same town or nearby. All my happiest family memories inluce them. Grandma was the one who instilled in me the morals I have today. She was a good Christian women. No she didn't go yelling at people she didn't know for sins they may or may not have commited, but if we did something wrong she was firm, yet loving when she disciplined us. She went to church most of the time and never sinned as far as I knew. Her house was always a refuge and me and my sis usually went there in the mornings (when we were kids) to be picked up by the school bus. She died about 6-7 years ago. Mom always claimed she was the only reason she put up with the rest of her family. She was def the black sheep when it came to them. She was the only one who couldn't hold a job for long, she did steal and was generally dishonest. Also, I never remember her being happy. Always angry, yelling, swearing and all that jazz.
Some of my worst memories of her were when she tried to scrounge up money to buy cigarettes or pepsi (she was addicted to both) and would raid mine or my sister's spare coin jars. I was never surprised to come home and find all the silver taken from my coin jug. Twice she flipped out and had a breakdown because I refused to give her cigarette money. One of those times she threatened suicide. Great mom she was.
The summer before my first year at college started one of my aunts suggested I open a bank account only under my name (with good reason she didn't trust me having a joint one with my mom). It was through this process that we found out mum had gotten two credit cards in my name and racked up a total debt of $600 and overwithdrawn on a join bank account she had under my name another ~$300. The bank account I knew about, but not how much in the red it was. In retrospect, I shouldn't have been surprised about the credit cards, she got out one in my dad's name and I don't think she ever paid that off. I think dad did because he didn't want to make waves with mom. She was a real b*tch. Mom got arrested for the credit cards, surely one of my happiest memories of mother (sarcasm).
About a year or so ago I moved into my dad's, both him and his girlfriend accepted me with open arms. Dad got custody of my sis and at first she was mad about it. But since then I think she has seen what life without the blackhole that is our mother is better. Since I started college, she has been evicted at least 4 times. That's over a 2.5 year span.
Now as far as believing in the Bible, my family is big into going to church. Mom was really the only one to ever break the law. They're like grandma, won't do anything the law or the Bible says not to really. I've neevr seen them and they sure have been pushing me to not be like mom and to be good, lead a good life. I've only ever gone to Christian summer camps. I have worked at one for the last 4 years (first year as kitchen, last three as counselor).
I've been going to church for as long as I can remember. Heck, in the 4th grade I went to a weekly afterschool Christian program and was one of two kids to always memorize the weekly Bible passages.
BUT the Bible never sat well with me. The parts about not stealing and lieing and stuff like that, ya, but gays going to hell? Jews and non-belivers going to hell? I nevefr believed that. It didn't make sense, if they didn't do anything wrong (except not believe something) why should they go to hell? I had considered other religions, but just stuck with Christianity because the basis of it (Christ seemed like a cool guy) I kind of agreed with and I always believed SOMETHING had to have created everything.
IN ADDITION to that I always accepted evolution. We came from apes? Weird, but okay. Whoever created everything was one wicked awesome God then.
I also never took the Bible as literal. 7 days? Yay right. Adam and Eve? Just a story. The flood? Not the whole world, that's rediculous. It never made sense to me. I could never see it as being 100% real. Something about the Bible seemed fake.
That's my story.
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Post by oap001 on Sept 18, 2006 10:27:35 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your story cervyy.
I have a close friend that has a similar life experience. She was adopted, her parents got divorced and she was raised by a mentally ill mother who was abusive. On top of that she had to watch her older sister die a slow death due to heroin addiction.
Well, this person did get saved and the questions she had to over come was, why would God chose to save me now? Why did He allow terrible things to happen to me? We have never been able to answer these questions, other than to trust God's ability to use our trials for good.
Also, she came to the point that she saw herself through God's eyes. Where, before God, she was just as sinful as her mother.
Hopefully this helps you in dealing with your family and to accept Christ as savior.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 18, 2006 13:02:18 GMT -5
The only family member I needed to deal with was my mum and I did deal. Living with her was killing me, I'm no longer there so my life is 100 times better.
Sorry Pach, but there's no place in my life for your Jesus. With or wihout Him, my life would still have good things and bad things. And I found I could get past the bad things and have been able to live an awesome life WITHOUT your type of salvation. Huh, imagine that.
Sorry, but nope. What can I say? Your God just doesn't fit into my life like that. He cannot provide me with anything I NEED or want.
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Post by dale on Sept 19, 2006 9:54:37 GMT -5
"WE all have our ghosts..." (i.e. shadows from the past that haunt us or we would rather not remember). You hunt your way and I'll hunt mine."
Ingrid Stevens in the film, Hang Em High.
Is it just me or does it seem like us nonbelievers are a little more open aboutt alking about tourselves than the christians.
I would still love to hear from Abb, who is the pnly person here whom embodies evil in the eyes of the christians, ore than I do.
A;so like to hear real; testimonies minus the sermons as much as possible from the "bad guys" side such as Daisy, Evam, Miles, Josh, Jesse, Eli, Mile's mom and so on.
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Post by dale on Sept 19, 2006 9:56:05 GMT -5
OPs, you know ChnervvY, according tot hese people you and I have absolutely no shame whatsoever.
Isn;t it GREAT when you dont fear the great tyrant god oif the bible.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 19, 2006 13:25:49 GMT -5
I have shame though ... I don't want everyone to know I spend time trying to talk sense with fundy loonies. It is quite shameful being here.
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Post by dale on Sept 19, 2006 13:37:33 GMT -5
"The devil has always wanted to play god!"
Stella Stevens to Robert Shaw in A Town Called Hell
"The devil has the largest congregation."
Robert Shaw's response , same movie.
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Post by victorialewis on Sept 19, 2006 21:21:16 GMT -5
I think I've already shared most of my testimony in other threads. Ask my family, I am not the same woman I was before December 29, 1996.
I love Miles' testimony, he was a false convert.
From the posts I read by the unsaved here, I just can relate to the anger, bitterness, darkness, etc. which fills these posts...but those days have been wiped away for me. I don't feel angry towards all those with whom I disagree; I no longer feel bitter towards my molester or even my parents who did the best they could with what they had at the time. I'm done with the deeds of darkness, and I am a very grateful woman.
CervyY, you may think that you don't need Jesus. But, you see, He offers the one thing that you will never be able to manufacture on your own....righteousness in the sight of God.
Repent. Please.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 20, 2006 13:42:50 GMT -5
Sorry, don't want to be righteous. Righteous people are always so full of themselves and snooty. That is SOOO not me.
AND, even though I had a depressing raising I turned out with a positive outlook on life! In the same situation other would blame God for AND without accepting Jesus like you did. If I need God he'll need to leave me a message then. Too busy having an awesome life.
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Post by abb on Sept 20, 2006 15:59:23 GMT -5
Righteous people in themselves are an oxymoron.
To be full of yourself and righteous is contradicting.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 20, 2006 16:03:17 GMT -5
*struts around with his nose held high* Oh, look at me everyone!! I'm so very righteous!! I'm going to heaven too and you're not!!
That was my impersination of the "Christians" here.
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Post by abb on Sept 20, 2006 16:15:35 GMT -5
Since I rag on everyone else, I'm gonna rag on you , Cervyy ^^.
Impersonation.
Anywho, back on high and haughty xians that are pricks to everyone who isn't them....
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Post by cervyy on Sept 20, 2006 16:19:43 GMT -5
Normally I wouldn't mind you correcting my spelling ... BUT I'm sick right now and VERY iritable (and I don't F*CKING CARE HOW OUY SPELL THAT WORD EITHER!). You're on my list now ABB ... right after the rest of these loonies ...
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Post by abb on Sept 20, 2006 16:53:43 GMT -5
Aww =[
At least it's a long list =D.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 20, 2006 16:56:30 GMT -5
I'll let it slide for now
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Post by abb on Sept 20, 2006 17:03:14 GMT -5
=D
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Post by victorialewis on Sept 20, 2006 18:09:45 GMT -5
You know something, Cervy? I have been pondering my post since yesterday. I want to correct any misconception right here. I do NOT want people to come to Christ for a better life. You, yourself, state that you have an awesome life. So be it. To try to convert others based on what Christ can do for them is humanistic, and NOT biblical. Christ deserves the reward of His suffering, and if we come to Him it is for HIS glory, not our own. We need to see ourselves as God sees us, if we are without Christ. We are criminals of the vilest kind who have offended the Holiest God in the Universe. He is so righteous that He cannot even bear to look upon us in our sins. We deserve Hell, and He is perfectly just to send us there. We mock Him, scorn His Son, blaspheme His Holy Spirit, kill and abuse His followers...and yet have the audacity to believe that we will get off scott-free on Judgment Day. All because we really weren't THAT bad.... If one repents and comes to Christ, one WILL be transformed. However, their great new life, or their happiness, is a by-product of salvation, and not a prime product. (Paris Reidhead, "Ten Shekels and a Shirt") I just wanted to get that straight, and I think I was beginning to go soft. Cervy, God has given me a tender heart towards you (I know it's God cuz I couldn't manufacture that on my own - you're very abrasive at times), and if I didn't care about your soul, I wouldn't be firm with you right now. Proverbs 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. Are you up for a challenge? Listen to Paris Reidhead's "Ten Shekels and a Shirt". You can find it on www.sermonindex.org. If you are patient enough to listen to the rather dry first half, then maybe you'll have your socks knocked off listening to the rest. Maybe not. At any rate, I'd like to see if you'll take this challenge. You can PM me, if you do. Or bring your response to the boards, either way.
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Post by victorialewis on Sept 20, 2006 18:11:45 GMT -5
Dale, I know that you wanted me to share my testimony here, but I think I've been posting too much lately. Maybe another time.
Suffice it to say that I broke every single one of the Ten Commandments before I repented, and submitted my will to the Lord Jesus Christ. yes, you read that correctly. Every one, including murder.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 20, 2006 18:21:59 GMT -5
Ah, what a merciful God indeed Victoria. So merciful he killed so many with Katrina (like one of yours said) because they were too wicked. If God were so all-Him, then he could simply wait till they died of death or other cause without having to kill them right THEN.
Merciful indeed.
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Post by cervyy on Sept 20, 2006 18:23:38 GMT -5
Also, I don't knwo why, but I love that word, abrasive. Sounds so cool and fun to say! THANKS!!
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Post by victorialewis on Sept 20, 2006 18:40:19 GMT -5
Are you up for a challenge? Listen to Paris Reidhead's "Ten Shekels and a Shirt". You can find it on www.sermonindex.org. If you are patient enough to listen to the rather dry first half, then maybe you'll have your socks knocked off listening to the rest. Maybe not. At any rate, I'd like to see if you'll take this challenge. You can PM me, if you do. Or bring your response to the boards, either way. Well? I just posted a new thread with the link in the Audios section of the mb
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