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Post by messengermicah on May 7, 2010 10:21:05 GMT -5
I sent Doug a personal message.
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Post by messengermicah on May 6, 2010 18:39:58 GMT -5
Hello Molly and Kureji!
Sorry I have not posted. I just saw Molly's PM to me and responded.
I have taken at least a temporary break from preaching full time on the college campuses due to some nagging injuries. Time and rest from the strain of open air preaching.
I am currently pastoring a small church down in Florida.
I will greatly miss being in Ohio this spring, miss preaching at Ohio University, and will miss seeing Molly again.
Since I have not been preaching on the campuses I have not had much reason to use the computer.
Kureji is an interesting and humorous character. I think I would enjoy encountering him on the campus and preaching at his university.
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 13, 2010 14:51:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback.
I think there are two extremes as I believe I mentioned above.
Some people totally ignore the whole subject and others try to figure everything out and set times and dates.
It does say we will not know the day nor hour but we are to know the season (1 Thessalonians 5:1-10).
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 5, 2010 10:19:34 GMT -5
I would say it may not be necessary to understand the timing of the Lord's return as long as we are in right relationship with Him.
It does seem though from about every passage where the coming of the Lord is mentioned there is an exhortation to a holy lifestyle.
I am concerned when people do not ever mention the coming of the Lord how do they ever preach all these verses about living a holy lifestyle in context?
So I think in that sense it is important. It is a motivator for a holy lifestyle and to reach others as we must make the most of our time.
Also there is a tremendous amount of scripture devoted to the subject. If God gave us much scripture on this subject then it must be of some importance.
I have never been interested in these guys who sound more like professors than preachers with all their charts and timelines.
We have many exhortations in the gospel to be ready because you know not the hour when the Son of Man cometh.
I am also concerned because it seems many do not want to ever preach about the coming of the Lord because of so many different doctrinal camps for fear of others finding out what camp they are in. If they are in one camp they may be out with the others so no one preaches on it and there is no expectancy of the Lords return.
2 Peter 3:12-"Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God"
So many scriptures could be mentioned but we are to look for and hasten His return.
It is the hope of the church (Titus 2:13, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18).
I think there is balance either way. At this point most do not even think about the Lords coming or study it.
Others have become like professors with charts and timelines and I believe get into all kinds of ridiculous speculations and have committed themselves to a belief system.
Any more comments on this?
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 4, 2010 20:29:14 GMT -5
One thing is for sure there Kureji.
Whenever Jesus comes back (pre, mid or post) you are going to get left unless you get right.
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Post by messengermicah on Mar 2, 2010 20:50:38 GMT -5
I am glad there is someone here interested in discussing this.
Yes, I believe the Bible is very plain on the fact there is a catching away (rapture) (1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18) and many other references.
I have gone back and forth on this issue in the past.
I have never really agreed with the traditional Schoefield, Darby, Dakes teaching of a pretribulation rapture. There are too many inconsistencies.
What the Bible does seem to say and this is what I have really struggled with is the imminent return of the Lord Jesus Christ to rapture His church.
Many scriptures and the overall tone of the New Testament seem to teach an imminent return.
I want to believe Jesus can return at any time. It seems this is the hope of the church (1 John 3:2-3, 1 Thessalonians 4:18).
However this seems to conflict with 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 which says that day (gathering of the saints) will not happen until the man of sin is revealed.
This seems to rule out the imminent return as this must occur first.
I have never been able to buy into the idea that Matthew 24 is dealing with Israel and not the church. I think Matthew 24 is talking about the rapture. It seems to line up with many other scriptures.
Another problem with the traditonal pretribulation teaching is the rapture clearly happens at the last trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18).
They teach the 7 trumpets in the Book of Revelation are during the great tribulation which according to them happens after the rapture.
How can you have seven trumpets during the tribulation if the last trump is the rapture and this occurs after the rapture?
In other words:
traditional pre trib teaching
1)Last trump-rapture
2) Great tribulation
3)7 trumpets and the wrath of God
Inconsistent.
At this point I am leaning towards more of a post tribulation view.
I am still open and really want to know the truth on this subject. I am not commited to a particular belief system I must defend.
I believe most people (and I refuse to do this) do not get their view of eschatology from the Bible but from books they read from certain authors and then commit themselves to that view or belief system (Dakes, Schofield, Darby).
Look forward to responses to this as I want to know the truth on this issue.
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Post by messengermicah on Jan 21, 2010 17:30:35 GMT -5
Tuesday January 12, 2010-University of South Florida-Tampa, Florida: We had originally intended to begin preaching the previous week (1/5-1/09) at the University of Florida as it was one of the few schools in the state open that week. However, due to the unusually cold temperatures (more global warming) for this area of the country with high temperatures in the high forties and low fifties we decided to wait until this week to begin.
On Monday (January 11) the weather was still very cold for this part of Florida (high in the mid 50’s) and we decided to begin on Tuesday.
By Tuesday the temperatures were still cold in Tampa (high of 55) but clear sunny skies. Sister Elizabeth and I arrived on campus around 11:50 AM and I began preaching around noon.
There were already students sitting around the Cooper Hall area (the designated free speech area) as usual and I was immediately able to get the attention of some of the students. When I first began preaching on this campus in 2006 it was very difficult to gain the attention of the students. Sometimes it still is.
STRONGHOLDS ON CAMPUS
The crowd grew for some time to around 50-70 and then went down to around 25-35. This campus seems to be more unpredictable than others and the students tend to be less attentive and more rowdy. There seems to be so many strongholds on this campus such as Islam, atheism, homosexuality, hypocrisy, etc.
The crowd size remained around 25-35 until around 1:00 PM and then began to grow again. The crowd continued growing to around 175-225. For a crowd this size on this campus the students seemed to be fairly attentive and formed a large semi-circle all around me while keeping their space.
Around 1:45 PM to 2:00 PM the order and attentiveness of the crowd seemed to deteriorate and the crowd closed in on me. Students began to walk up in my face and try to stand in front of me and follow me around.
As the students moved in around me and tried to crowd me in I walked over to the nearest table, stood on the chair of the table, faced the crowd and continued preaching.
I continued preaching this way until around 2:20 PM. By this time the crowd was back down to around 20-30. At this point I stepped down from the chair and went from preaching to answering questions, conversational, and teaching.
A GENUINE CHRISTIAN?
I was encouraged by one student who seemed to really support the preaching, understood the purpose and helped defend the preaching by helping to answer the students’ questions.
I seemed to make very good progress with a few students who had been opposing me earlier but now were much more open and receptive after talking to me and allowing me to answer their questions.
By 3:30 PM I was down to 2-3 students and I began to leave. I was encouraged as we made our departure a student we had talked to extensively last year approached me and asked me several sincere theological questions. Last year, this student was greatly concerned about having committed the unpardonable sin but now seemed to be genuinely endeavoring to serve the Lord with all his heart. Wednesday January 13, 2010-University of South Florida-Tampa, Florida: The temperatures were still fairly cold for Florida this time of year (high of around 60) but again the skies were clear and sunny.
I began preaching in the free speech area at 12:05 PM and immediately gained the attention of a small group of students who asked questions. The crowd continued to grow to around 50-60.
VOICE DIFFICULTIES
Around 12:30 PM my voice seemed to be giving out and I did not know if I would be able to continue. The crowd dwindled down to around 20-30 but I persevered and struggled through until my voice seemed to strengthen again until it became clear, clarion, and booming.
The crowd size really began to grow and two police officers were on hand. From 1:30 PM to 3:00 PM the crowd seemed to stay from 200-300 as they formed a large circle all around me and kept a good distance.
Although the crowd was somewhat boisterous and playful the majority seemed to be listening well especially for a crowd that size on this campus. I believe the police presence had a lot to do with the crowd maintaining some civility. I think they probably would have crowded me in if the police were not on hand.
GOOD JOB BY POLICE
Some students moved in and tried to follow me around and the police made them move back into the crowd. They did a good job of maintaining order and not interfering.
I continued preaching to the large rowdy crowd until 3:00 PM. The size and rowdiness of the crowd plus struggling through my weak voice caused me to work very hard so I was somewhat tired at this point.
Since we had some errands to get done we did not stay around after the preaching but headed out planning on returning the next day.
Thursday January 14, 2010-University of South Florida-Tampa, Florida: I woke up today planning to return to campus but my voice was in terrible shape. I was scheduled to preach in a church that night. I decided if I preached on campus it would have to be for a short time only and would further weaken my voice making it difficult or impossible to preach in church that night. I decided to rest my voice from the campus and try to let it recover before the evening service.
Sometimes I have voice difficulties after not preaching on campus after a several week break.
That evening the Lord helped me to preach for about one hour on “Advancing the Kingdom of God”. It seemed to be a real blessing to the pastor and his church.
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Post by messengermicah on Jan 21, 2010 17:15:03 GMT -5
I am not sure Jesse ever said that.
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Post by messengermicah on Jan 16, 2010 13:27:43 GMT -5
No it is not an example of what you are talking about.
You said above I repeatedly label others as non Christian for disagreements on opinion.
I am not labeling you as non Christian for a disagreement on an opinion.
I am labeling you as a non Christian for openly supporting abortion.
Abortion is murder. That is not my opinion.
Murderers do not go to heaven. That is not my opinion.
Murderers are not Christians. That is not my opinion.
People who support murdering innocent babies are not Christians. That is not my opinion.
Again Tony please show me where I am labeling others as non Christians over differences of opinion.
If you cannot then take the statement back and deal with the real issue here.
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Post by messengermicah on Jan 14, 2010 15:02:21 GMT -5
Show me all the multiple times when someone has not agreed with my opinion on something I have called them unchristian.
Seems you are thinking of Dan Lirette and not me. Dan repeatedly called me unchristian for silly things and I did not retaliate.
I am not putting the responsibility of abortion squarely on Obama's shoulders. Where do you get that assumption?
Is he not openly supportive of abortion or not?
Is abortion murder or not?
Did you not support him or not?
Do murderers go to heaven or hell?
I have never said Bush was a Christian. He did not openly support abortion as Obama does.
As far as I can tell at this point Bush is headed towards the same hell as Obama and yourself only I think you will have different degrees of punishment.
You need to wake up Tony. I believe you are in grave danger.
I believed Bush was against abortion. Yes I wish he had done more. He was not up for relection.
That is a far cry from giving your open support (as you did on this forum) of a president who is flagrantly pro abortion and pro homosexual agenda.
You keep trying to dance around the issue of your hypocrisy of claiming to be a Christian while voting for a murderer.
I wish multitudes of Christians had not voted for independent candidates because I think it was a wasted vote. However, I do respect them for at least voting for someone they knew was a genuine moral conservative.
An informed person like yourself voting for someone like Obama and then claiming to be a Christian is pure hypocrisy.
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Post by messengermicah on Jan 14, 2010 14:48:50 GMT -5
Thank you. Yes it was encouraging and even more so that he was spiritually mature enough to realize even if we had doctrinal and/or semantical differences he did not oppose me but actually supported me.
I believe his preaching was a great complement to mine as he seemed very knowledgeable in areas where I was not as knowledeable.
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Post by messengermicah on Jan 11, 2010 17:54:42 GMT -5
Thursday December 3, 2009-University of Florida-Gainesville, Florida: Sister Elizabeth and I arrived on campus around 1:30 PM. I reached the Turlington Plaza area and was going to begin preaching around 1:45 PM.
AVOIDING “HELLS BELLS”
As I have said in previous reports, I do not try to begin preaching on this campus until around 1:30 PM as it seems difficult to get the attention of the students earlier than this and from 12:30 PM to 1:00 PM there is a noisy, distracting symphony of bells that ring the entire time. I call these “Hells Bells”.
As I walked into the preaching area I noticed there was a group of students with some speakers set up. They began to play music and began “swing” dancing just as I was about to preach.
I asked one of the students how much longer they would be in the area. They told me they would be finished in 10 minutes so I decided to wait.
THE EVILS OF DANCING
As the group finished around 1:55 PM I began preaching on the evils of dancing as it promotes premarital contact which leads to sexual immorality (1 Corinthians 7:1). Of course I knew this would be somewhat controversial as well as humorous to many students.
My statement proved effective as I immediately began to get the attention of the students with comments, heckling and questions which led to the gathering of a small group of listeners.
GREAT TIME OF PREACHING
This small group of listeners gradually but consistently continued to grow throughout the afternoon until the crowd size was around or close to 200. The crowd was lively and playful but was overall attentive and civil. At times I was surprised by how well the fairly large crowd listened and remained quiet.
In spite of the overall civility of the crowd a student attempted unsuccessfully to steal my hat and my water jug was stolen.
I continued preaching to the fairly large receptive crowd until around 4:00 PM. At this point the crowd size began to gradually decrease. By 4:30 PM the crowd size was down to around 25-40.
At this point I stopped preaching and tried to answer in greater depth and clarity the sincere questions of many of the students who had been listening throughout the day.
AN INQUISITIVE APOSTOLIC STUDENT
One black male student had been listening throughout the afternoon and had asked several good questions. I learned later he leads a group of Apostolic (Jesus Only) students but he seemed to be open and sincere. I had some good discussion with him after I finished preaching but this was interrupted by a few insincere questioners who kept interrupting.
Sister Elizabeth and I left the campus with night falling around 5:30 PM for a dinner appointment.
Friday December 4, 2009: Rained out.
Sunday December 6, 2009: Preached twice in the local church where we were staying. In the morning service I preached for just over one hour from Numbers 28:1-10 on “The Meal Offering” and in the evening preached for just over one hour from Job 21:34 on “No Excuses for Sinning”.
Monday December 7, 2009-University of Florida-Gainesville, Florida: I was looking forward to returning to this campus. It seemed the Lord has been moving on this campus and among some of the students as some who used to oppose us no longer do and seem to see some value in our being on campus.
COOPERATION OF OTHER CHRISTIANS
Other students we have met over the years who seem to be genuinely saved cooperate with the preaching and witness to the students on the sidelines. I find that many of these students may disagree with us on certain topics but they seem to complement us in their approach and message as they have a different emphasis than we do. An example of this would be some of these students are more capable and knowledgeable in areas such as Jewish or classical apologetics than we are.
I began preaching around 1:45 PM and soon gathered a small crowd that continued to grow to from 100-150. The crowd formed a nice circle around me and they were somewhat rowdy but listening fairly well. A female student attempted to steal my water jug but I was too fast for her and she gave it back. Sadly but not surprisingly this student professed to be a Christian.
INTIMIDATION TACTICS
The crowd continued to grow to around 150-175 and then began to try to intimidate me and stop me by closing in all around me. I gave the crowd “the slip” and exited the circle. Many thought I was leaving but I jumped on top of a planter where I could elevate myself and voice above them, faced the crowd and continued preaching.
Some of the students who closed in on me seem to fear the truth of Biblical preaching and the influence of the message because they convinced most of the crowd to leave. I guess they believe the students are not capable of thinking for themselves (or maybe they realize they can think for themselves) and want to dictate to them what they need to think.
My crowd dwindled to around 25-30 for some time and I had some good dialogue and question and answer sessions but gradually the crowd size began to increase again.
FOOTBALL FLASHBACK
A black male student came up behind me, took my hat, jumped off the planter and ran through the crowd. I jumped off the planter and took off through the crowd after him. It reminded me of my high school days chasing a quarterback or ball carrier as I reached out, grabbed him by his shirt and pulled him towards me.
Thankfully he had a pleasant disposition as he dropped the hat and did not get upset that I grabbed his shirt to get my hat back.
My agility, quickness and boldness seemed to surprise the crowd and earn some respect from them. I am fairly sure my recent 40 lb. weight loss (225 to 185) had something to do with the quickness and agility. I continued preaching on the planter.
THE BATTLES RAGES PAST SUNSET
As the time passed 5:00 PM and it began to grow dark the battle continued to rage as the crowd size had grown to around 200. I preached as fast, hard and loud as I could. I had many loud hecklers loudly denouncing, judging and rebuking me as a false prophet for preaching loud, judging sin and rebuking students for their sin.
By 5:30 PM it was almost dark and I had preached fairly hard for almost four hours. I stepped down from the planter surrounded by a lively crowd of 75-100.
I walked to where Sister Elizabeth was talking to several students one of which was the sincere black male who was Apostolic. We seemed to be making a lot of progress with some of these students.
ANOTHER PREACHER
Around 6:00 PM I had noticed a crowd of around 25-30 students who had been listening to me preach were gathered around another person who seemed to be preaching.
I had noticed this earlier but I figured it was the typical hypocrite who usually likes to come up and tell everyone something like “Don’t listen to him. We are all sinners and it is impossible to stop no matter what and who cares anyway because God loves you no matter what!”
TURNING PEOPLE OFF TO GOD
Even though we are often accused of “turning people off to God or the gospel” even though hundreds of students stay for hours and days listening and asking questions I think these hypocrite preachers are the ones who “turn everyone off to God and gospel” because usually the crowd disperses in a matter of seconds when they start preaching.
FELLOW LABORER
Well since the crowd had been gathered around this preacher for about 30 minutes I realized he must be preaching a message worth listening to. I went to listen for some time and thoroughly enjoyed his preaching, content, crowd control, knowledge, etc.
I asked him for contact information and he thanked me for asking him. He called me “Brother”, told me “God bless you” and he never tried to interrupt, oppose me or speak negatively of me to the other students.
BLESSED BY A REBUKE AND STILL CRITICAL
Sister Elizabeth and I began to leave the campus around 7:00 PM but I had gotten into a conversation with a student who approached me. He indicated he agreed with me doctrinally and even openly admitted that in the past when I had publicly rebuked him for living in sin and professing to be a Christian this began a great work of God in His life. Yet he still seemed to be somewhat critical.
I spent much time talking to him and answering his questions. We left the campus around 8:30 PM.
Tuesday December 8, 2009-University of Florida-Gainesville, Florida: Sister Elizabeth and I arrived on campus around 1:30 PM and I began preaching around 1:50 PM. I immediately began to gather a small crowd that continued to grow gradually into a fairly civil, somewhat receptive crowd of 50-75.
MESSIANIC SUPPORT FOR PREACHING
They formed a nice circle around me and the preaching, questions and answers were going very well. A Jewish student who is a follower of the Jewish Messiah Jesus Christ kept showing up in the crowds. I had met this student before on a previous day to this campus as several times during the preaching he would ask me to quote or read a certain passage of scripture.
SETTING THE CROWD UP
At the time he did this I was already preparing to quote the passage he was referring to. The crowd would think this Jewish believer was opposing me and getting me to quote or read something that would contradict what I had been preaching but as the crowd grew quiet to try to listen for the contradiction the passage would reinforce, strengthen and drive the point further home and into the hearts of the students with conviction. I recognized this student was a genuine follower of Jesus Christ and was a student of the scriptures.
FIELDING QUESTIONS
Around 3:15 PM while I was preaching he began to defend my preaching and doctrine to the students claiming I was preaching the truth of the Bible. Some of the students began to ask him questions and he asked for my permission to field the question. I gave him permission and he did a good job and ended up giving some of his testimony of how God set him free from sin. Praise the Lord!
RAIN
Shortly after this around 3:30 PM it began to rain fairly hard and the crowd dispersed. Sister Elizabeth and I headed for cover under the library and continued discussion in small groups with the students. Some were sincere and others were not.
After around 30 minutes it stopped raining and I thought about returning to the preaching area and keep the meeting going but I decided to remain by the library and continue in small group discussions.
Sister Elizabeth and I ended up staying until around 7:00 PM having discussion with several students who seemed to be very sincere in seeking the truth. One was the Jewish believer in Jesus Christ, the black male apostolic student from the previous day, a male student who is always supportive of our preaching and another male student named Peter.
Wednesday December 9, 2009-University of Florida-Gainesville, Florida: Sister Elizabeth and I arrived on campus around 1:30 PM and I began preaching around 1:45 PM.
HECKLED AND HARASSED BY A HARE KRISHNA
I immediately gathered a small crowd of listeners and it continued to increase. I was being heckled and harassed by the Hare Krishna man who is always hanging around trying to sell his books to the students. I made it clear to the students I would not sell them a Bible but give them a free one if they were interested. The cult follower helped to build up the crowd.
EFFECTIVE TIME OF PREACHING
The crowd gradually grew throughout the afternoon to around 150-200 at times but at other times was around 50-100. It was a great day of preaching and answering questions. At times the crowd was very civil and attentive and other times were more disruptive and rowdy.
I was blessed and encouraged by several students in the crowd who stayed most of the day and at times asked very good and sincere questions indicating they had been listening and understanding exactly what I had been saying. I also had hecklers who tried to dominate all my time by trying to show the crowd how intelligent they were by asking questions they thought would end up trapping me and making the Bible seem to contradict itself.
As it began to grow dark around 5:00 PM to 5:15 PM I stopped preaching and began to have a discussion with the remaining 15-25 students. Some were very sincere and others kept trying to distract and interrupt.
NIGHT SHIFT SHOWS UP
Around 5:30 PM I noticed the other preacher from Monday I had enjoyed listening to so much showed up and sat among the remaining listeners. I had been preaching almost four hours at this point and was somewhat tired.
I answered questions for about 10 more minutes and then turned the listeners over to him around 5:40 PM.
Sister Elizabeth and I stayed around and listened to him preach until around 6:30 PM. We thoroughly enjoyed his preaching, knowledge, wit, crowd control, etc. I was also pleased he spoke very positively of me and my preaching to the students. I learned he had preached until around 1:30 AM on Monday.
Sister Elizabeth and I were very encouraged by the way it seems God is moving on this campus and we give God the glory.
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Post by messengermicah on Jan 11, 2010 17:10:27 GMT -5
Bush did not openly support abortion.
Obama did.
You gave your full support to a presidential candidate who fully supports abortion.
I am calling you to task hypocrite.
You don't know everything I have said about Bush.
I am not a big Bush supporter. Way to cop out again hypocrite.
I am a Jesus Christ follower. The Bible written by him calls shedding innocent blood murder.
If abortion is not that I do not know what is.
If you did not profess to be a Christian I would not be so hard on you.
Murderers go to the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8).
Shame on you.
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Post by messengermicah on Jan 5, 2010 15:03:02 GMT -5
I have always been crying out against abortion. Even when Bush was in office.
I don't preach politics. I preach the Bible.
You are the one who has allowed politics to govern you instead of the Bible.
What a cop out on your part.
You are so cold and indifferent it is pathetic.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 31, 2009 22:56:26 GMT -5
So in other words Jonathan you have no idea how to answer my question without refuting your own theology.
As I said you are dishonest and have committed yourself to a belief system.
Furthermore of ALL the videos of me preaching none of them has been posted by me.
Most are posted by students who hate me.
Most of what I preach is not even posted.
In other words I am not presented at all in a positive light.
Yes I have seen people healed although usually this has been in a much more prayerful atmosphere than a college campus with homosexuals kissing, God's name being blasphemed, cigarettes being blown in my face, women exposing themselves, sinners contradicting and blaspheming, etc.
Even Jesus could do no mighty miracles in certain situations (Mark 6:5) because of the unbelief. Most of the time preaching on college campuses the atmosphere is hardly conducive to faith.
They had no faith as they did not believe Jesus was from God. Most of the time the students are looking for any little reason to discredit me to prove to themselves I am not from God so they do not have to listen to the truth of what I am preaching.
Most of the time if I were to pray for a sick person most of the crowd would actually be looking forward to the person remaining sick.
Hardly an atmosphere of faith. If it limited Jesus it certainly would limit me also. This should not become an excuse though and it is not.
Many times in the open air God has supernaturally shown me things about individuals or groups I am preaching to (Word of knowledge or word of wisdom). This is sometimes why people become so convicted and so angry.
However I fully expect to see healings and miracles on college campuses in a much greater measure in the days ahead. In the past I have not prayed much for it or expected it because I have focused on preaching repentance, the truth, bringing conviction on sinners and refuting their excuses.
However, we are talking here about what the Bible teaches.
If the Bible tells us to live free from sin and people do not believe it, reach out in faith to God for it, and obtain salvation by faith through grace does that mean it is not for us?
Same thing with the supernatural power of God in demonstration.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 31, 2009 18:57:46 GMT -5
I agree.
You are the one who is saying Chapter 13 refutes Chapter 12. I am not saying that.
What are you a Muslim or something? You believe the later Chapters cancel out the earlier ones?
Be consistent with your own reasoning then. Since Paul follows 12 with 13 remember he also follows 13 with 14.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 31, 2009 18:53:07 GMT -5
1 John 2:29-If ye know that He is righteous ye know that everyone that DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS BORN OF HIM.
If you are born again you know you are righteous by the fact YOU DO RIGHTEOUSLY. YOU LIVE RIGHTEOUSLY.
1 John 3:7-Little children let no man deceive you. HE THAT DOES RIGHTEOUSNESS IS RIGHTEOUS EVEN AS HE IS RIGHTEOUS.
Only those that do righteousness are truly made righteous as He is righteous.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 31, 2009 18:48:36 GMT -5
By the way Paul did not stop at Chapter 13.
To follow your above reasoning he goes on to Chapter 14 telling us to desire spiritual gifts in addition to following after charity.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 31, 2009 18:45:50 GMT -5
How must I be a Calvinist?
Calvinists are cessationalists like yourself. They believe God has no power to heal the sick today. Like yourself.
I believe John 14:12 is for today. I believe Mark 16:15-20 is for today. All of it. Not just the preaching. You believe that is not for today.
How does the Spirit bear witness with our spirit?
You said this is according to 1 John 5:6. By the Word of God.
Plenty of sinners believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God.
Plenty of sinners believe Jesus rose from the dead.
Plenty of sinners believe Jesus is the Son of God.
Plenty of sinners believe Jesus was born of a virgin.
Is that the witness of the Spirit?
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 31, 2009 18:36:26 GMT -5
You may call it whining if you would like but the Bible calls it crying out against innocent blood being shed.
You are so carnal and lukewarm you do not even see things from a Biblical perspective anymore. How sad.
Repent and get back to your first love you lukewarm, backslidden, spineless coward!
Sin makes men cowards (Proverbs 28:1).
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 31, 2009 10:50:16 GMT -5
Oh so sinners who believe the Bible is the Word of God also have the witness of the Spirit.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 31, 2009 3:18:36 GMT -5
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 30, 2009 23:39:47 GMT -5
Jonathan believes knowledge has ceased.
Romans 8:14-For as many as are led by the Spirit of God they are the sons of God.
Romans 8:16-The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.
1 John 5:10-He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself.
What is the witness of the Spirit?
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 30, 2009 12:20:56 GMT -5
You are right.
There is not a single Bible verse I can show you because you are committed to a belief system that affords you great respect among your peers and you are unwilling to give that up in order to seek the whole counsel of God.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 30, 2009 0:00:28 GMT -5
I was not doubting Luther said it originally just that I did not know he was the one who originally said it.
I guess it is sort of like the quote above "Repent or perish, turn or burn, comply or fry" giving the credit to Ross Jackson.
The first person I heard say that was John Duncan on a youtube video where he was preaching in Little Five Points in Atlanta back around 2004. I am not sure it was original with him either.
Probably not.
Maybe we can begin a seperate thread to figure out where popular sayings originated (haha).
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 29, 2009 17:52:09 GMT -5
Amen. I did not know Martin Luther said that. The first I heard use that was Duncan Campbell.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 29, 2009 2:29:50 GMT -5
I did not realize Tony had any concern at all for the unborn after giving full support to a candidate who gives his full support to murdering them.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 28, 2009 22:13:37 GMT -5
Like you said before I cannot.
The same as Jesus could not show the Sadducees.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 27, 2009 23:19:12 GMT -5
You are exactly right! I can't show you that is why I don't even bother. You are blinded by your unswerving commitment to your belief system in your cult because of the good standing it puts you in with others and the religious pride it gives you. You are unwilling to even question or examine it honesty.
John 9:41
Pride blinds.
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Post by messengermicah on Dec 27, 2009 2:05:29 GMT -5
Watch the video and keep reading the Bible and you may find out.
The only thing is in order to find out which parts you do not declare you will have to stop reading what you believe and begin to believe what you read.
This you are unwilling to do at this time because you are far too committed to your belief system. You will lose the good standing with others in your belief system (cult).
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