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Post by bounbough on Jan 4, 2009 21:45:50 GMT -5
And it gets worse. I married a woman who (although has never been civilly marriage by law, nor has taken any marriage vows) did live in a ‘boyfriend/girlfriend’ type relationship and shacked up often to fornicate, and she even fell pregnant and had his baby, but then the man abandoned her (put her away???) and civilly later by vows met a woman and got married. So my question is, was my present wife ever married in the eyes of God, despite the fact that they lived in sin and never took marriage vows? At what point does fornication become a marriage in the eyes of God? How long do people fornicate before God sees them as being married?
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Post by bounbough on Jan 4, 2009 21:38:06 GMT -5
I understand the doctrine of Christ in regards to this issue. My wife put me away, so I thought that gave me the 'ALL CLEAR' to remarry, but when the disciples turned the question around and asked Jesus: [glow=red,2,300]"Mat 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry". [/glow]It is clear that Jesus wasn't for remarriage.
Ok, perhaps I can justify the divorced (me being put away) as a blessing seeing as my X-wife fornicated with another man, but why doesn't the Bible say adultery? because the putting away part refers to the act of fornication during the betrothal period and not after the vows have been taken, otherwise Jesus would have said "except for adultery" instead of fornication" .
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Post by bounbough on Jan 4, 2009 6:32:43 GMT -5
And if you have never been married before, then whatever you do, don't marry a divorced woman (Matthew 5:32).
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Post by bounbough on Jan 4, 2009 6:28:49 GMT -5
Well, one thing is for sure, it is better to stay single if at all possible IF you were married before and are thinking of remarriage.
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Post by bounbough on Jan 3, 2009 19:53:10 GMT -5
The question is, does ones spouse have to be deceased before one can remarry?
And there is another issue which i have to consider:
The woman i married has an 11 year old daughter to her x-boyfriend. Although she never had a civil marriage with her x-boyfriend, the fact that he humbled her and impregnated her makes her his wife in the eyes of God. Despite the absence of a civil marriage. Notwithstanding, he did forsake her for another woman which he later married. The Bible is right is saying that he caused her to commit adultery. 1 COR 7:28 “[glow=red,2,300]and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned”[/glow] which suggests that if a man will remarry (being loosed from a wife) then he ought to marry a virgin. So in light of this, is it possible when looking at 1 COR 7:28 that if a man is loosed from a wife and marries a woman who is not a virgin, then he hast not sinned, but the woman has being that she is not a virgin.
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Post by bounbough on Jan 3, 2009 19:43:09 GMT -5
The clause of exception in Matthew 5:32 "except for fornication" (KJV) I am told by some applies to those in the betrothal period and not after the marriage vows have been taken. Some also believe that if one's spouse is not deceased, then one can not remarry. But then the scriptures in 1 COR 7 made it clear that there is provision for those that are loosed from a wife, to remarry "But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned".
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Post by bounbough on Jan 3, 2009 9:35:43 GMT -5
I mean, is she still my spouse although we are divorced and she is living with another man?
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Post by bounbough on Jan 3, 2009 9:32:46 GMT -5
>I am sorry but I do not see how anyone can be honest with themself and take the teachings of Jesus and Paul and justify remarriage while they have a living spouse.
Even if that spouse divorced me 7 years ago and moved in with another man?
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Post by bounbough on Jan 3, 2009 9:19:06 GMT -5
Now see in verse 28 of 1 COR 7. I was loosed from a wife, and Paul is saying that "But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned"
1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. 1Co 7:28 [glow=red,2,300]But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned [/glow]and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
And at the time, I had no intention of seeking a wife, but when I met a woman who was bold for preaching the gospel I fell for her and we went to see a Christian marriage counsellor was gave us the 'OK' "ALL CLEAR" to go ahead with the marriage. And so we tied the knot and then the anointing left me. Furthermore, this is not the West where a woman (a mother) can fall back on a social welfare network for support. I am the only financial support she has. If I leave her, she will have nowhere to go, and who will support her? How can I forsake a person in need? Can we not just get a divorce and then I allow her to dwell in an upper room like a sister in Christ? I am at a loss at what to do. I don’t have the strength to put her away.
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Post by bounbough on Jan 3, 2009 9:05:11 GMT -5
Thank you Brother Micah for your post. I would really like to discuss this issue. Most people have been telling me that I should put the past behind me and ask God to forgive me for this mistake, but for the past 3 years I have been living in the fear of not abiding in the doctrine of Christ. Paul says in 1Co 7:15 [glow=red,2,300]But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.[/glow] My wife left me 7 years ago. Neither of us were Christians then.
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Post by bounbough on Dec 24, 2008 0:35:40 GMT -5
Re: "We still have time". Reminds me of the track entitled "The Long Trip" by Jack T.Chick where the guy is told that he still has time left, but then falls into the pit.
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Post by bounbough on Dec 24, 2008 0:23:34 GMT -5
We are proud to be a witness for the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the streets of Bangkok in the Kingdom of Thailand. Here are some common things that people say to us: "You RUINED MY HOLIDAY!" "I came to Thailand to get AWAY from you people" "This is a Buddhist country" (derrr really?) Yet millions of sex tourists plough through this country every year and nobody bats an eyelid.
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Post by bounbough on Sept 25, 2008 4:09:14 GMT -5
I know that this topic is a bitter pill and has been done to death on other forums, but it is an important one and there needs to be some clear and defined parameters for Christians. I will address one issue at a time. The first one is in regards to Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Some argue that this refers to those who commit fornication during the betrothal period, and it doesn’t apply to those already married. I am asking this question because my x-wife had an affair and then left me. I later re-married but some Christian theology teaches that I am an adulterer. Why? Aside from the said issue; to compound the problem, some theology teaches that unless your x-wife is deceased, you cannot remarry.
Furthermore, what if you marry a women who was previously in a long term relationship with a man, had a child to him, yet never had a civil marriage (legally married). In the eyes of God, was she married to that man?
Look forward to hearing anyones views on this.
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Dream
Aug 20, 2007 23:55:47 GMT -5
Post by bounbough on Aug 20, 2007 23:55:47 GMT -5
Addit: Psalm 144:1 came afterward.
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Aug 20, 2007 23:53:40 GMT -5
Post by bounbough on Aug 20, 2007 23:53:40 GMT -5
Amen Brother! I had been lead astray by them in the past. Indeed, one is prone to attacks by the Devil when asleep (ungodly dreams etc..). Why is it that we can have rule over our spirit while we are awake, but when we are asleep there is less control? Proverbs 16:32 He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.
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Aug 19, 2007 2:47:54 GMT -5
Post by bounbough on Aug 19, 2007 2:47:54 GMT -5
Last night I had a surreal dream: I was in open parkland type territory where thousands of heathen were milling around, some were in grounds, others walking alone. I was thirsty (in hindsight I was very thirsty yesterday as Brother Levi walks like a steam train and we must have walked for miles) and those around me were drinking beer in plastic cups. It looked very appetizing as it looked like keg beer (soft and smooth), I desired to have some and someone helped me to a cup and I took it and drank. Nearby I noticed crowds of Biker types in black sitting on the park grass drinking, reveling and cursing. That angered me so I stood up on a long thin wooden seating bench with the cup of beer in the hand and tried to preached but had lost my voice. Then in the dream I had a revelation, that I had lost my voice because of the beer I had drunk, as it didn’t please the Lord. So standing on the bench I bowed my head in prayer and asked the Lord for forgiveness. Then I started to preach and my voice came back. The crowd was angered and some got up on the bench to try and throw me off. I was afraid but determined to try and stay on the bench. Some fell from the bench before they reached me. The ones that reached me tried to make me lose balance to topple me off the bench, but the Lord gave me wisdom to fight them and I knew exactly where to touch them to throw them off balance. One by one they approached me trying to throw me off balance, but my hands and fingers out maneuvered them. Psalm 144:1 “Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:” Then the mob went wild and I fled for my life. Then 3 young men caught me and began to beat me up so I woke up. Thank God it was a dream. Today I got the interpretation: If one is to preach the gospel, one must ensure that there are no fleshy obstacles as these hinder ones ability to preach. I haven’t had a beer in years, but the Lord tries the reins and knows the things we desire deep down inside. We can fool ourselves, but not Him.
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Post by bounbough on Jun 13, 2007 20:04:34 GMT -5
Rhemaseeker: Check your PM box.
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Post by bounbough on Jun 11, 2007 7:52:41 GMT -5
Hmmm, so eating a cup of buttered popcorn might be considered covetous to a real grass roots missionary in India (such as a GFA missionary). Like you used to do, they would just travel and preach everywhere, laying their head down to sleep where they could. John Wesley used to sleep in open fields under the stars. One couldn't do that here in Bangkok. The streets are dirty black and nobody would listen to a preaching beggar. In any case, its good to be able to make a comparison when judging oneself. Are you still street preaching?
1 COR 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
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Post by bounbough on Jun 10, 2007 7:14:52 GMT -5
Indeed! I get your point. Is that Brother a missionary for Gospel for Asia? They are big in Southern India. Jesus said not to lay up treasure, so in order to pay for something extravagant like a cruise, one probably would have had to have laid up some treasure. Eating out at Burger King is not covetous, eating out at the Ritz hotel at $500 a pop is. Notwithstanding it is also comparative, as eating out at Burger King in India is not very affordable for the majority of peasants who earn less than $20 a week. Even here in Thailand, a trip to burger king would cost half a day’s wages for most Thais. I stopped giving to a church here after I found out that the Pastor went on and golf trip and stayed in a 5 star hotel. I don’t want my tithe to go on fluffy cushions. By the way, is that a hailstone you are holding? I thought it was an egg! I even asked myself, “why is he showing a picture of himself holding an egg”? What’s with that? But now I know it is a large hailstone. To answer your question, for over 4 years. I put Matthew 19:29 into action on the 11th of October 2002 and I’m still here in the kingdom of Thailand.
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Post by bounbough on Jun 9, 2007 20:52:38 GMT -5
No problem, I got to get ready for church. Chat to you later
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Post by bounbough on Jun 9, 2007 20:48:50 GMT -5
Dear Rhemaseeker,
let me finish editing my post in colour before you cut and paste it bro!
(No Bro, as soon as I found out I was in adultery, I repented). I didn't know that marrying a divocred woman was adultery, but now I know better).
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Post by bounbough on Jun 9, 2007 20:42:29 GMT -5
We can judge for ourselves what is right and what isn't. 1 COR 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.How do you know whether or not a brother is covetous or not? 1 COR 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. Don't worry, I won't stone them, I just won't be keeping company with them but they are still brothers and sisters. Amen!
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Post by bounbough on Jun 7, 2007 23:19:30 GMT -5
Hi Alan4jc,
two thirds of the world are living in grinding poverty. Many without the gospel (with so few labourers to reach them) while they nourish their hearts and fill their belly.
James 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
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Post by bounbough on Jun 7, 2007 23:09:44 GMT -5
Please note that my quote from Eph 5:5 has been changed to "sleepermonger". I didn't change it, I've never heard of a sleepermonger! It is not in my Bible (The Authorized King James). How did that happen? Do computers also want to try and change God's Word as well? Now I may have to consider leaving this forum. The word w-h-o-r-e monger is in the Word of God, and God's Word will always prevail!
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Post by bounbough on Jun 7, 2007 22:56:00 GMT -5
Top 11 signs you’re on the wrong boat:
1. Benny Hinn has booked out the honeymoon suite. 2. The welcome mints on your pillow say “God bless you”. 3. The placard on your cabin door is the second half of John 10:10 4. Acts chapter 27 is missing from the dresser Bible in your deluxe cabin. 5. The life jackets say “Jesus saves” on the back. 6. On move night they show the “Passion of Christ”. 7. An outreach trip to Port Sudan is cancelled after the cruise gets delayed in the Greek Islands. 8. Someone changes the “No surfeiting” sign in the kitchen lobby to “no surfing”. 9. The last night of the cruise is celebrated by a ‘wedding banquet’. 10. A non-believer mistakenly boarded the cruise thinking it was P&O, but never noticed the difference. 11. There is a singles Christian club which allows divorcees to join.
It is presumptuous to make specific judgments about the way someone exhibits their body language. Unless I had had a word of knowledge, I couldn’t say that “so and so is making a Masonic symbol” or “he scoffed that prawn and lobster moray down in one bite so he must be a glutton”. The same way I couldn’t look at an insect bitten leaf and know what insect had bitten it. But I can look at the overall state of the plant and tell the general health of it. Christians having fun on cruise ships, (like the heathen do but without the craps tables) is worldliness and covetousness. They seem to go hand in hand. It is not a good witness for the gospel. They cannot identify with John 12:25 or Luke 14:33 or 2 COR 11:23-31, especially Philippians 1:29 and 2 TIM 2:3 and 2 TIM 3:12
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no sleepermonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Addit: Omit 'sleepmonger' for the correct word as shown in the Authorized KJV 1611
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Post by bounbough on Jun 7, 2007 3:01:08 GMT -5
re: praise feast. What next? Jesus and the Love Boat? 1 COR 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1 COR 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
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Post by bounbough on May 30, 2007 0:35:04 GMT -5
re: chick.com banned in Thailand. Hi Josh,
I didn't know about them until you posted the address. The tycoon track is illegal so they may not have it. One Bible bookstore here sells chick tracks at an elevated price, but there isn't any in Thai (only English). A Brother in Australia sends them to me for free via ELE trust in Brisbane.
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Post by bounbough on May 24, 2007 3:06:35 GMT -5
Hi Josh,
Youtube was also banned here. I suspect chick.com would be banned in most Arabic speaking countries as Chick has a track entitled "Allah has no son". Chick was probably banned here after some preachers were blessed with 10,000 tracks in Thai entitled "The tycoon" a few years ago and went about preaching everywhere and flooded bus stops with them. The police were looking for one of the preachers as the track "Tycoon" is illegal here. But I'm sure they never caught him. Praise the Lord!
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Post by bounbough on May 14, 2007 20:43:33 GMT -5
For more information see the chick track entitled "The attack" on www.chick.com by Jack T. Chick. (Note: Chick.com has been banned in the Kingdom of Thailand).
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Post by bounbough on May 13, 2007 22:05:36 GMT -5
Divine inspiration must be absolute; otherwise the translators would make errors. 1 COR 1:5 “A little leaveneth the whole lump”. So God’s Word must be divinely inspired 100% and not 96.4% because of human error (oops, sorry about the human leaven). For example, when translating the word ‘chief’ from 1 Tim 1:15 from the Greek Word protos, the translator will find the word protos here: 1. that are first - Matthew 19:30 2. Former – Acts 1:1 3. First – 1 Tim 1:16 4. Chiefest – Mark 10:44 5. Best – Luke 15:22 6. Before – John 1:15 But only but divine inspiration could the translator know what word to write in context for protos. But modern Bible versions which rely on the corrupted Alexandrian manuscripts (the ‘original Greek’ as they boast) are translated by Bible scholars with letters before their name. And as we can see from the book of Acts, education doesn’t maketh the man, but by faith in God and by the power of the Holy Ghost. Coincidently, the Puritans had all three. They weren’t called ‘Puritans’ for nothing.
What about the revisions to the KJV since its inception? Are those inspired too?
The King James was revised several times prior to 1800. This was to correct typographical errors, add notes and omit the Apocrypha from between the Testaments. The puritans didn’t want the Apocrypha included in the testaments, but certain scholars (undercover Jesuit agents) were interfering. ______________________________________________________ I know that there are different historical versions floating around about the history of the Bible. Here is what I have uncovered so far: Modern translations stem from two Greek scholars from England called B.F.Westcott and F.J. Hort. They used the corrupt 4th century manuscripts which I mentioned earlier. The Codex Vaticanus (note the word Vatican) found in the Pope’s library in 1481 (which includes the Apocrypha) and the Sinaiticus (apparently found discarded) at St. Catherine’s monastery on Mt. Sinai). The Vaticanus omits parts of the new testament like the book of revelations and Hebrews after chapter 9:14 (“a very convenient stopping point for the ROC since God forbids their priesthood in Hebrews 10). The corruption in these manuscripts started in Alexandra Egypt with the works of Origen and Clement of Alexandria. Origen had an understudy called Eusebius who was the Bishop of Caesaria. Constantine ordered 50 copies of the Bible from Eusebius. Eusebius sent Constantine the manuscripts that Origen had been working on instead of the true word of God in the Syrian text from Antioch, Syria. So the corrupt Alexandrian text (also called the Egyptian or Hesychian type text) found its way into the Vatican manuscript (Vaticanus), then eventually into the Westcott and Hort Greek text, and finally into ‘new’ Bible versions available at your local Christian bookstore. So when one is trying to erroneously correct the Authorized King James Bible with “older” “lets see what the Greek says” manuscripts, then one is really using an old Roman Catholic Bible to overthrow the God honoured text of the Protestant Reformation and great revivals. Furthermore, the New King James Bible ought not to be confused with the King James 1611. A man called Jerry Falwell and his team tried to correct the King James with verses out of the American Standard Versions (ASV 1901) and the Revised Standard Versions (RSV - 1951). But they made a right hash of it.
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