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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 0:05:21 GMT -5
Ok, ok, enough suspense! Haha...this is DAISY:
D-Deliberate Depravity- This says two things in my mind: 1) All sin is willful and 2) all sin is known about by the sinner
A-All-Around Election- Look all-around you...Christ wants ALL of them to be a part of the Elect! God doesn't play favorites by picking and choosing. He wants ALL to be saved!
I-Infinite Atonement- No matter how many people have lived, how many will live...no matter how many sins have been committed or how many sins will be committed, Christ's work on the Cross is sufficient to cover the sins of ALL who have ever lived or will live...IF they will just come to Him in Repentance and Faith. Not only is the Atonement Infinite in this way, but it is also Infinite in value because of WHO it was who died on the Cross.
S-Stoppable Grace- God's Grace is the most resisted thing in the world! You could also call this Shunned or Scorned Grace. The Holy Spirit is attempting to Draw ALL men near and is convicting the WORLD of sin, righteousness and judgment. Most could care less though. They Stop, Shun and Scorn God's Grace...to their own damnation!
Y-Your Race To Finish- This DOESN'T mean you finish it in your own strength. You must Abide in Christ (John 15), but you must do it until the end. The Scriptures are abundant that warn of those not finishing the race or not persevering until the end. Paul even said that He ran to attain the prize lest he would be disqualified as well (1 Corinthians 9:24-27). He also talked about throwing off EVERYTHING that hinders in Hebrews 12:1-2. Finish the Race!
I have a video to upload on this. I finished up my series on TULIP my summarizing the points of TULIP and then making a new acronym...the one above and summarizing it. It should be uploaded sometime this week.
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 31, 2008 23:16:56 GMT -5
The following scriptures describe how each man has intentionally made himself a sinner: Gen. 6:12, Exo. 32:7, Deut. 9:12, Deut. 32:5, Jdg. 2:19, Hos. 9:9, Ps. 14:2-3, Isa. 53:6, Ecc. 7:29 Zep. 3:7, Rom. 3:23 There is nothing accidental in any of these passages. It is deliberate and intentional. Men are sinners by deliberate choice, not by accident or mistake. Amen! It's DAISY, not TULIP! It's Deliberate Depravity, not the Calvinistic idea of Total Depravity!
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 31, 2008 15:46:10 GMT -5
Abraham, are these lists something that you are compiling yourself? If not, please let us know what your source is...thanks...
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 31, 2008 18:36:11 GMT -5
God will remain faithful to keep, if we will remain faithful and abide. It's very simple. Amen Joel!
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 31, 2008 8:41:41 GMT -5
No, a Christian can't "lose their salvation." It doesn't fall out of their pocket...they don't "lose their salvation" on accident as the phrase implies. They reject their salvation! A Christian can surely be "cut off", "depart from the faith" or "fall away". A Christian can backslide and a Christian can ultimately become a reprobate as well. Semantics. Tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to. I meant what you meant, that Christians reject or lose their salvation, I just used different words. I basically meant it as an umbrella definition, that someone who is born-again can ultimately stand before a Holy God and hear "guilty, depart from me..." whether you use the term "lose" or "reject." Semantics. Care to vote? I understand. I was just pointing out that calling it "losing your salvation" is a derogatory way of saying it, that's all. I would vote, but the top two choices are both right. Losing faith is a sin. Anything not of faith is sin (Romans 14:23). There isn't one correct answer, that's why I didn't vote...
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 30, 2008 21:31:35 GMT -5
No, a Christian can't "lose their salvation." It doesn't fall out of their pocket...they don't "lose their salvation" on accident as the phrase implies. They reject their salvation! A Christian can surely be "cut off", "depart from the faith" or "fall away". A Christian can backslide and a Christian can ultimately become a reprobate as well. Here are some verses to chew on concerning this issue: - Psalm 9:10; Ezekiel 3:20-21; Ezekiel 18:18-31; Ezekiel 33:12-20; Matthew 6:14-15; Matthew 10:22; Matthew 24:13; Matthew 24:48-51; Matthew 25:1-13; Mark 4:16-19; Mark 13:13; John 6:66; Acts 1:24-25; Acts 11:23; Acts 13:43; Acts 14:22; Romans 11:20-23; 1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 1 Corinthians 9:27; 1 Corinthians 10:5-13; 1 Corinthians 15:1-2; Galatians 5:4-9; Galatians 6:7-9; Colossians 1:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 3:5,8; 1 Thessalonians 4:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:3; 1 Timothy 1:5,6; 1 Timothy 1:18-20; 1 Timothy 4:1; 1 Timothy 4:16; 1 Timothy 5:15; 2 Timothy 1:12, 14-15; 2 Timothy 2:3-5, 12, 17-18; 2 Timothy 4:9-10; Hebrews 2:1; Hebrews 3:6, 8-15, 18-19; Hebrews 4:1, 11, 14; Hebrews 6:1, 8, 11-12, 15; Hebrews 10:23, 26-31, 35-39; Hebrews 12:14-15, 25; James 1:13-15; James 5:19-20; 2 Peter 1:9; 2 Peter 2:20-22; 2 Peter 3:17; Revelation 2:4-7, 10-11, 17, 25-26; Revelation 3:2-5, 10-12, 16, 19, 20 I updated it a little since the last time I posted it
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 31, 2008 12:34:47 GMT -5
Is sin God's plan? Is God angry with sin? Is God grieved over sin? Does God hate sin? Is God angry with His own plan? Is God grieved over His own plan? Does God hate His own plan? I have yet to see a Calvinist be able to answer these questions honestly and Biblically...
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 12:04:05 GMT -5
And I guess Jesse morell's group, the armeniast, is the only group who has the truth. Thats fine, do whatever you want with your oppinnions just dont treat us any less, we are still son's of God, no matter what you think. Excuse me...I'm not an "armeniast"...I don't even know what that is to tell you the truth. I am a Biblinian!
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 30, 2008 21:35:00 GMT -5
For myself I have never studied the teachings of John Calvin; however, the theology that has been associated with his name, such as TULIP, makes sense to me. Every teaching of TULIP is scriptural and not vain philosophy, its a foundation to condition of man and of God's sovereignity. It is also a foundation for the Gospel and provides mounds of hope to win the lost. It has not prevented anybody from ever getting into heaven and certaintly has not limited the power of the Holy Spirit or the Cross. Further, it has also given people hope and assurance and has striped every chain of doubt of insecurity; that is, whether they are saved or not. I TOTALLY disagree. Calvinism is NOT Scriptural at all. Shall we discuss it point by point, verse by verse? I haven't read this article, but I am assuming that you are going to add it to the list of articles to be added to the website Jesse? Looks like a nice long one... ;D
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 7:53:05 GMT -5
Synergism as I understand it means that God has moved a heart and the heart has responded in obedience. Without the heart response there is not relationship. Jesus keeps saying, Those who love me obey me. In example three, if correctly stated is: God moves, man responds, God and man cooperate in the truth of salvation in Christ. It brings no glory to a man to humble himself in response by crying out for forgiveness and obeying the Lord. Amen John! #3 is definitely a Straw Man. Just because man submits to God doesn't mean that man gets any of the Glory. God initiated the whole thing through conviction, drawing and revealing truth to the lost sinner. The sinner simply responds in obedience. This is simply Biblical Truth! Monergism is NOT Biblical...Synergism is...
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Post by Kerrigan on Apr 1, 2008 10:30:39 GMT -5
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 30, 2008 11:57:19 GMT -5
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 13, 2008 22:25:44 GMT -5
What a wonderful piece of writing that is! Straight from the throne in my mind. It brings great joy to my heart! PRAISE THE LORD! A man CAN live in complete obedience to his Lord IN THIS LIFE! Praise God!
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 15, 2008 21:34:35 GMT -5
Actually I was just making preliminary plans today! My brother in law and sister are driving home from Syracuse around April 22 or so. I was thinking about driving down with them and then taking a one way flight back home to Syracuse after staying there and preaching for a few days. I haven't checked the Finals schedule though of College of Charlston. I have a feeling it may conflict. That would really be the only time thought that would make sense for me. It would be nice to not have to drive both ways alone with gas prices being what they are. Blessings, Miles According to their calendar, the last day of classes is the 23rd: www.cofc.edu/~register/spring2008.htmlUsually flying both ways is about the same price and flying one way. We do have a guest room at our house. Let me know if you want to fly into Fayetteville. We are planning on doing an outreach at Coastal Carolina University on April 21, but have the 22nd and 23rd open...
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 13, 2008 15:36:02 GMT -5
You mean threads like this? Just tryin to scare ya. Hope all is well in NC! ;D Blessings, Miles So Miles...when are you going to come down to SC like you said?
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 13, 2008 20:57:58 GMT -5
"That is a very low view of God and a very high view of man. It's a low view of God because you make him a tyrant. And it's a high view of man because you make him a victim rather than a rebel, a cripple rather than a criminal." Absoultuley Not. You guys are sooo lost in your own self righteousness its absoultely ridiculous. You honestly think your perfect, you go around preaching a message that women belong behind a vacum... GOD CREATED ADAM PERFECT. ADAM CHOOSE to disobey GOD, THUS SIN ENTERED INTO ALL OF CREATION. The world is still suffering from the effects of sin. Jesus Chirst will reinstate perfection when he comes for his sheep. YOU Jesse still have the nature you inherited through ADAM. Its obvious you inherited it, youve sinned, thus are not perfect. The holy spirit is moving in your life to reflect Chirsts righteousness so that the world can see Christ in you. SANCTIFICATION IS A PROCESS. You are BEING REFINED thats why you go through trials. My view of man is that he is depraved and needs to turn to JESUS CHRIST ALONE for SALVATION. That is a LOW VIEW of MAN and the highest view of GOD. YOU ARE A SINNER, thats WHY YOU NEEDED JESUS CHRIST. You are not PERFECT. Where is the Scriptural proof for all of this? I need Jesus because I personally sinned, NOT because I have a "sin nature inherited from Adam."
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 13, 2008 17:54:08 GMT -5
God created man perfect, Sin entered through Adam. So the question does God create us totally depraved? Has false presubquesitions. Without power or ability to do anything good, you can choose Good or Evil becuase we have a knowledge of Evil inherited through Adam. "Does God create us totally depraved, entirely unable or morally crippled, without the power or ability to do anything good? In which case God then gives us impossible commandments and even sends the majority of the world to hell for failure to perform the impossible." Seems like a fairly flipant question. The problem with what you have said is that you haven't proven that anything like that is "inherited" through Adam. And the problem is that God didn't just create Adam and Eve and stop there. He creates ALL humans in their mother's womb.
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 13, 2008 15:41:57 GMT -5
If these verses are so "clear" Dan, then why do so many people in the world misinterpret them? I'd say it's because people read too much of Calvin, Finney, Arminius, etc etc. God is no respecter of person's; He's faithful to show us directly what His Word teaches. I would agree with this to a certain degree. Reading theology is bad if you aren't being discerning or if you don't already know the Word of God. BUT, if you are able to test what you read against the Word, there shouldn't be any problems reading theological books. So, I'd say the main problem is people not knowing the Word of God itself and if they do, not discerning or testing things against the Word of God properly...
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 13, 2008 13:24:28 GMT -5
I agree Dan, these CLEAR verses don't need any commentary. They are just as clear as Jesse laid out in his commentary. If these verses are so "clear" Dan, then why do so many people in the world misinterpret them?
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 13, 2008 12:11:17 GMT -5
Are you saying that God, who created us in our mother's womb created sin? Did God create people "totally depraved" and "totally unable"? I simply quoted a Biblical verse that speaks of death and judgement passing on all men. The word death in Romans 5:14 is the same word used in Romans 6:23 Spiritual death (the consequence and punishment of sin) passed on all men, even those who did not sin (Romans 5:14); I did not say in my post sin itself passed on all men, RevK.... I'm not sure how you read that into my statement Just asking a question brother, not reading anything into what you said. Just clarifying...it's better than assuming, right? Spiritual death reigned from Adam to Moses because they all personally sinned. It doesn't say as you have said above, that they did not sin. It says, "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgressions of Adam..." In other words, they didn't break a direct command of God. They sinned against their conscience, which all men have. You should really read Jesse's commentary. It is very well written...
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 13, 2008 11:08:03 GMT -5
"death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned" (Romans 5:14) Enoch and Elijah, who did not physically die, show that this is not speaking of Physical Death, as it clearly states that death reigned from Adam to Moses (in their lifetime). Dan, you are using exceptions to make a rule. That is not sound hermeneutics. What is your point in making this though Dan? Are you saying that God, who created us in our mother's womb created sin? Did God create people "totally depraved" and "totally unable"?
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 12, 2008 16:33:19 GMT -5
If moral perfection is "Not having the ability to sin", as someone voted, than did God create us morally imperfect since God created us with the ability to sin? Our imperfection, so called, would not be our fault since it was God who created us with the ability to sin (free will). And if moral perfection is "Not having the ability to sin", how can it be our responsibility to be morally perfect since we did not give this ability to ourselves and therefore we don't have the power to take it away?? Even beyond these good points, the question is will we EVER be at the point where we won't have the ABILITY to sin? If so, when will that be? If so, please provide some Scripture to back this up...
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 11, 2008 19:17:39 GMT -5
When it comes to discussing doctrine on this message board, do you come on here just to "prove people wrong" or "just to prove Jesse wrong?" I see a lot of drive by shooting these days. People come on here to try to prove someone or something wrong and don't stay around to discuss it. They aim at ad hominen attacks instead of actually discussing the doctrines. People seem to be constantly defending sin and those who defend sin. I have been reading George Fox's autobiography lately and this is what he encountered time and again: people defending sin and sinners and coming against holiness. Is there something in your life that isn't right that you are doing this? Are you trying to fit the Bible to your own experience or are you try to live up to the Bible by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit wrote down the Holy Bible through Holy Men and these Holy Men talk about Holiness! If you have no interest in Holiness, then you might as well put down the Bible and stop trying to fit it to your own life...
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 10, 2008 20:53:22 GMT -5
Yeah and to be consistent, those who are alive now (Christians) should have no ability to sin. But, we all know that is not true...
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 10, 2008 20:40:12 GMT -5
So you're saying that "Before" the foundation of the world doesn't really mean "before" the foundation of the world? Before means before, however he misquoted the verse. Rev 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. From means from, not before or prior to, but from. As I have stated many times, God knew perfectly how He would deal with sin. When sin was conceived, God already knew how He would respond. His pre-ordained response was put into action the moment sin entered the human race. God retained His ability to choose whether or not He would go through with His plan. Jesus retained the ability to choose whether or not He would go to the cross. In both cases, God proved to be faithful by staying the course. Grace and Peace, Joe Amen Joe, that is a good answer...
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 9, 2008 23:46:39 GMT -5
Sean, instead of posting article after article of others, why not try posting something from yourself? Anyone can just post articles from others brother...
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 9, 2008 20:39:46 GMT -5
Also, even IF this writer could get around this ONE VERSE (which he hasn't), he has many others to get around. Did he not address the other verses that he listed at the beginning of the article?
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 9, 2008 20:38:38 GMT -5
This guy assumes T to prove I! He assumes that everyone is born a sinner and tries to prove "Irresistible Grace." If that isn't circular reasoning, I don't know what is. Let the man who wrote the article first prove "Total Depravity/Inability" for that is the fountain head of the heresy called Calvinism. Keep in mind that it wasn't just the leaders or pharisees who wanted Jesus crucified. It was all of the people! Just take a read of Matthew 27:22-25:
"22 Pilate said to them, “What then shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” They all said to him, “Let Him be crucified!” 23 Then the governor said, “Why, what evil has He done?” But they cried out all the more, saying, “Let Him be crucified!” 24 When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all, but rather that a tumult was rising, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this just Person. You see to it.” 25 And all the people answered and said, “His blood be on us and on our children.”
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 10, 2008 20:48:33 GMT -5
If God says something will happen, He will make sure that it will come to pass. God DID know Peter's heart perfectly and knew with the right conditions/circumstances that he would deny Jesus three times. Prophecy, in the open view, is not about God simply looking at this time line of the future and seeing something happen. In the open view, it is about His knowledge of everything that can possibly be known and His power to brings things to pass that He says will happen. The open view doesn't seem to have anything to do with guessing in my understanding of it...
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Post by Kerrigan on Mar 6, 2008 19:51:38 GMT -5
I think one clarification that you haven't made Alan is do you believe that repentance and holiness are essential for someone to be saved. In your last post above, you said "I believe in holiness and repentance in the life of one of Gods redeemed children" but you didn't say what would happen if someone didn't have those things in their life. Several times in the past you have said that a Christian could have sin in their life and still be on their way to Heaven. Has your stance on this changed now?
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