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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 8, 2008 20:38:49 GMT -5
I don't want to start up this whole discussion again...I just wanted to mention one thing. Yesterday (Thursday), Jesse, John, Gary and I were ministering at NC State at a young man wanted to speak to me while Jesse was preaching. He liked Jesse's message and I asked him what denomination he was. He said SDA. With my new found information, I got pretty excited. I said, "Yeah, Jesse would pretty much agree with everything you guys believe...except for having to worship on Saturday." Then I thought to myself, I better make sure he is one of the new SDAers. I asked him if he believed that Jesus was once Michael the Archangel. He said that he did and that all SDA Churches he had been to in his life believed that as far as he knew. He was around 19-20 years old. I asked him if he knew about the SDA headquarters changing their minds on the issue and he said no. So, it just goes to show that just because the SDA "headquarters" or the "main" SDA website says they have changed, doesn't even mean that the majority has changed. It also just goes to show, once again, that I believed what I believed about SDAers for a reason...not out of spite or because I was trying to slander, lie, etc. Anyway, just thought I would share that...
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 6, 2008 0:59:31 GMT -5
Examine my heart? Dan, you have lost it man...I'm done with this conversation...
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 6, 2008 0:58:36 GMT -5
Dan, just because you went on some SDA website that says they don't believe that anymore, doesn't mean that the majority of SDAers don't believe it anymore. You looked on a website...the very thing you accused me of. How do you know that website represents the majority of the SDAers worldwide? I did not speak falsehood either Dan. I haven't been proven wrong yet. By the way, Dan, why would I bother to check a website to see if I was correct or not if I thought I was correct. Should I check the Mormon or JW website every time I post something about them to see if their beliefs have changed in the last day or so? I don't think so. Dan, sometimes I think you are just looking to find something wrong with what someone types...
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 6, 2008 0:54:21 GMT -5
Here is one example of an SDAer on this message board stating that Jesus is Michael the Archangel in the flesh...just 7 months ago! CLICK HERE
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 6, 2008 0:38:09 GMT -5
Dan, I had no reason to believe that my sources were not reliable. It's not sin if I wasn't doing it willfully brother. My post wasn't an attempt to slander anyone. It was simply me stating the facts as I knew them. IF I am wrong, I will correct myself. What are the sources for your own statements concerning the SDA? I have run into SDAers on the streets and they have stated I am right. And I am talking about not too long ago. Also, if I remember correctly, I believe one of the SDAers on this message board stated that was true. So, I am not "guilty of sin" as you say. I understand your concern, but hold off on the accusations brother. Maybe your sources are wrong. Maybe your sources don't speak for all SDAers. I have a friend who spoke to a Mormon and a JW not too long ago...and NEITHER one of them held to the Mormon or JW false beliefs. They had NO IDEA that the Mormons or JW's believed such things and had never been taught those things themselves. So, when I say that SDAers believe that Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel in the flesh, it is based on recent past experience and reliable sources...
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 5, 2008 23:47:44 GMT -5
I'm not implying anything this is just an honest question. Do you think they are Biblical in their teachings to the point that wouldn't classify them as a cult? (The denomination as a whole.) In Christ Matt They believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel in the flesh...that's enough for me
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 27, 2008 1:03:52 GMT -5
Abraham...I don't know why you even bother promoting calvinism on this message board. I guess maybe it's because people got tired of it on Sermon Index and you had to find another place to post this stuff. It really is no use...all of us were predestined by God to be non-calvinists. Really, you are fighting against God...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 26, 2008 20:28:22 GMT -5
This is a great question. This is a trend that I have seen happen over and over again. I have seen friends of mine, who were once very zealous for the lost and preaching the Gospel...then they became Calvinists and out the door went their evangelistic zeal. Not all of my friends who have become evangelists have ended up this way...but MOST have. In fact, I can only think of one that hasn't! The others don't go to the streets anymore and seem to have no care for the lost at all. They care more about Calvinism than anything! All they focus on in their studies now is Calvinism and spreading it. The Gospel doesn't matter anymore, just their "theology." It's sad...it really is...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 26, 2008 9:49:59 GMT -5
This quote is found in Romans 7:17, 20 and the "law of sin which is in my members" is found in verse 23. What do you guys think this is talking about?
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 31, 2008 12:25:38 GMT -5
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 3, 2008 0:01:22 GMT -5
David Pawson had said "This is accurately portrayed by someone throwing a lifeline to a drowning man and saying 'grab hold of this and keep holding on tightly until I pull you to safety.I would maintain that no one rescued in this way would dream that he had saved himself or even made a 'contribution' which merited his rescue. He would be filled with gratitude towards his rescuer." In Christ Matt I like that Matt...thanks for sharing...
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 2, 2008 23:54:32 GMT -5
Dan, I think Jesse answered your question. Christ's righteousness is NOT imputed to us as the Scripture never says it is. We aren't given the righteousness of someone. It is called "God's righteousness" in Scripture because it is HE who considers us righteous based on conditions being met:
1) The blood shed of an perfect, sinless person
2) Repentance of sins
3) Faith in Jesus
4) Persevering until the end
God expects us to walk in righteousness after we become Christians, but it isn't "our righteousness" that saves us. It is the blood shed at the cross that saves us. It is only Christ's perfect blood that can provide the forgiveness of sins that we are in need of (Hebrews 9:22). Hope this makes sense...
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 2, 2008 22:31:58 GMT -5
Amen Jesse!
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 1, 2008 22:10:17 GMT -5
That's a good quote by Finney. I wholeheartedly agree with it...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 20, 2008 22:37:04 GMT -5
In the NKJV and KJV Revelation 22:19 has "book of life" because that is what the Textus Receptus says. All of the modern versions, taken from what most consider the "corrupt" nestle-aland Greek texts say "tree of life." Either way, there is still sufficient evidence that this view of the Tree of Life is Biblical, Historical and Correct. One thing that is interesting is that this REALLY messes up the Calvinists if this is true. They would say that individual people die because of their own personal sin...and that we are guilty before God and go to Hell because of Adam did. Pretty backwards, eh?
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 21, 2008 12:31:08 GMT -5
Thanks for responding Joe and Jesse. I really like what you said Jesse. It makes a WHOLE LOT OF SENSE:
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 20, 2008 22:27:37 GMT -5
I just read through the posts. It makes a lot of sense to me and seems to have the backing of Scripture. I guess I never looked at things quite like this before. How does 2 Peter 3:8 fit into the open view? It says, "But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 20, 2008 16:25:57 GMT -5
Amen Jesse...I thank God for your stand...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 20, 2008 8:31:01 GMT -5
Dirk, More and more it seems that you: 1. Exalt yourself above others: You say that you have heard directly from God and are a prophet and have accused others of knowing very little about God, or accuse them of not knowing God at all 2. Falsely accuse others: as I said, accusing others of knowing little about God or not knowing God at all 3. Downplay the vital importance of the scriptures by saying things like "The bible is not the Word of God" and "Revelation does NOT come from reading the scriptures". No true prophet would say this!! It is as if you claim that your posts are "Thus Saith The Lord" while the bible is just a book written by men. AMEN! And AMEN!
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 19, 2008 23:07:34 GMT -5
Kerrigan, Dear one in the Lord, please get over yourself. It is not your words so much as your attitude. BUT REMEMBER what Jesus said, or did you forget that OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAKS? Don't call me dear one in the Lord out of the side of your mouth Dirk and then slander me out the other side. THAT SIR IS HYPOCRISY! How do you know what my attitude is Dirk? My attitude is one of love towards YOU...someone who is DECEIVED. I am over myself. I have been crucified with Christ and it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. Dirk, you are the epitome of that POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK. I find it very hard to believe that you are really this blind...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 19, 2008 22:59:30 GMT -5
What does this mean?!?! What did I tell YOU about how Jesse studies?
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 19, 2008 22:55:30 GMT -5
Kerrigan, I have written because I care for all of you. There is no pride in what I write except what YOU put there. There is a great deal of pride in almost everything the leaders of this board write. They are always relying on their ideas, their understandings and pointing everyone to their authors. I tell people NOT to listen to me, not to listen to themselves, not to listen to anyone except Jesus. Why do you find that so offensive? a bondslave in Christ Jesus, Dirk What are you talking about Dirk? So you conclude that because someone quotes an author that they are relying on man instead of God?! The Bible says to judge righteously Dirk? I would think you would know that. The Bible says that God doesn't judge by appearance, but by the heart! How little you know God! You have much to learn, Dirk. Who are the "leaders" of this board as you say? Who is relying on "their ideas." I think it is YOU who is relying on "your ideas." In fact, God just told me that...can I get a confirmation from a few people? If I can...then we know it is from the Lord...DON'T YOU SEE HOW RIDICULOUS THAT IS! The only thing I find offensive is DIRK slandering Me, telling me that I am "blind" and then providing NOTHING to back it up with! That's called lying Dirk! Better go read Revelation 21:8...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 19, 2008 22:43:24 GMT -5
Dirk said:
Please tell us who has said this or done this Dirk...I would like to know!
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 19, 2008 22:41:51 GMT -5
Prove it Dirk! These are just empty words from a man who says he hears from God, but is probably not hearing from God at all. Your words, that I am "blind" mean nothing to me. God knows the truth no matter what "dirk almighty" says. Dirk, you are living on a dice roll like this:
That sounds like something the Mormons would say! WHO has agreed with you, Dirk? Just because a few people confirmed some things that you say you "received from the Lord" means NOTHING! Who's to say that ALL OF YOU aren't deceived?
Dirk, I seriously hope you wake up to your pride. You need to open your eyes and see! I pray you do!
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 19, 2008 21:38:08 GMT -5
Dirk, You are in serious error my friend. I know someone who thinks like you and he is convinced he is always right on doctrine because he has personal revelation from Jesus. Just like you he criticizes theologians and pastors who come to a different conclusion than he does. Of course he can never be wrong because he gets his teaching directly from God whereas everyone else is following men. I find it interesting that he has never been able to stay in a local church very long because he has to constantly "correct" the pastor. Is it possible that this is why you shun the local church Dirk? I have always found it ironic that this gentleman who thinks he has such clear revelation has never been able to pick up on the pride that permeates from his life. I fear this is the situation with you as well Dirk. I urge you to allow God to search your heart and reveal to you the truth that is there. Steve Brother Steve, I believe you have hit the nail on the head. This is EXACTLY what I have been trying to say to Dirk. You discerning the same thing is just more confirmation. He who has ears, let him hear...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 19, 2008 11:18:26 GMT -5
My purpose for the message board it to have a place where the brethren can reasonably discuss and debate over scriptural issues, as well as to encourage each other in open air preaching. But continual harshness ad hominem attacks really degrades the quality of discussion on the boards. And If a person is not going to answer direct questions in a debate, there is no reason for that person to enter into a debate in the first place. Dirk, I have seen both of these in your posts. You don't answer direct questions that are asked you but you just continue on in your harsh and critical judgments and bitter ad hominem attacks. I would ask that you either improve the quality of your posts or that you refrain from posting in debates and discussions. Amen Jesse! I couldn't agree more. I love this message board when their are fruitful and loving discussions going on...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 18, 2008 23:33:54 GMT -5
Your opinion of God is farr too small for anyone who has met Him.
a bondslave in Christ Jesus, Dirk Dirk this statement is just a subjective opinion. Shouldn't you judge this righteously? John 7:24 You imply Jesse has not met the Lord, how do you judge this? Couldn't we just leave out the personal attacks on someone's walk with the Lord and objectively deal with these issues? If Jesse is out to lunch theologically shouldn't we be patient and gentle with him as the Lord commands us? I think you need to be nice and apologize, publically. I agree. Dirk, you have said far too many unkind things to many brothers in Christ on this message board. Most of them have only responded back in kindness as well. What I don't understand is why you act so kind to Jesse in person but treat him like you have on this message board. Love tells me that we should save the harshest words for in person or at least on the phone and tread lightly on message boards...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 18, 2008 13:55:15 GMT -5
Jesse, I think Boyd is right on this. The debate is really over the nature of the future and not over omniscience. As has been illustrated in this thread though few take the time to actually understand where the Open view is coming from. I haven't studied the open view too deeply yet, but I have been reading a little. I think it is only right to take the time to understand a viewpoint from it's best proponents before making a judgment on it. If your above point is correct - that this is not about omniscience but about the nature of the future - then it's absolutely ridiculous to label it as heresy. Dirk, Did you even take the time to read Jesse's first post here? It wasn't written as a dogmatic defense of the Open view but as a resonable point for discussion. Instead of digesting what was presented and entering in to dialogue with his post you just repeat worn out responses that are irrelevant to the post. Are you not able to actually dialogue on the point Jesse has made? Steve Good post Steve. I wholeheartedly agree. I just recently purchased Boyd's book on open theism and can't wait to read it. I haven't studied this topic thoroughly enough yet to come to a conclusion on it. May we all be full of grace and seasoned with salt as we discuss these issues...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 8, 2008 23:55:26 GMT -5
AMEN and AMEN!
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 3, 2008 22:50:20 GMT -5
I like that answer. Thanks for sharing...
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