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Post by Josh Parsley on Jul 7, 2008 21:07:34 GMT -5
You're still in a fantasy land. You need to wake up.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jul 7, 2008 20:25:51 GMT -5
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa! I had everyone going. Dream on... I doubt anyone believed you. On the day of judgment you will be shook with reality though.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jul 6, 2008 14:02:42 GMT -5
All liars will have there part in the lake of fire. I just thought I would remind you of that.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 25, 2008 18:01:49 GMT -5
That was good. It's hard to believe I used to like that kind of music at all. I was embarrassed to even watch parts of the music videos they showed.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 22, 2008 21:00:49 GMT -5
OK, I don't know when I'll be going but when I do I'll keep you in mind.
Do you see the Mennonite-type guys with the signs out much? I think they still go up there fairly often.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 21, 2008 21:18:31 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the crowd I remember when I've been there. I would rather preach to them than people who think they are right with God when they are not. Maybe one of these days I'll make it back up there.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 21, 2008 16:33:22 GMT -5
I ran across this website and thought I would post it here. I don't know if he makes sandwich boards or not... but it wouldn't surprise me. The prices look fairly cheap also. www.christianbiblesigns.com/
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 21, 2008 11:29:03 GMT -5
How are things going in Springfield?
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 20, 2008 14:11:21 GMT -5
He goes through history and follows the progression to where we are now. I guess it kind of culminated with Graham.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 20, 2008 14:00:52 GMT -5
Amazon.com has them... but they are all used. I buy most of my books that way though.
Or just contact Patrick McIntyre, who posted above. He is the author of the book.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 19, 2008 22:59:16 GMT -5
Great sermon.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 19, 2008 14:06:08 GMT -5
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 16, 2008 10:49:14 GMT -5
Of course, everyone likes a little Parsley.
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Smocked
Jun 13, 2008 11:05:43 GMT -5
Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 13, 2008 11:05:43 GMT -5
Dale, you're so out of touch with reality. He is talking about your mother.... ok.. ok.. Estoy bromeando. phat –adjective Slang. great; wonderful; terrific.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 11, 2008 17:14:06 GMT -5
Amen.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 6, 2008 11:58:17 GMT -5
That last post of mine my look like I contradicted my first post. What I believe is that if signs and miracles aren't accompanied with the word of God being preached it doesn't do much good. If the word isn't being proclaimed and lived, Jesus isn't lifted up. If there are miracles without Jesus being lifted up it only exalts the one with the "anointing."
But even with that, some of these manifestations are very very questionable.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 6, 2008 11:28:47 GMT -5
I defintely do not think this guy is a godly man. However, I would like to mention that Smith Wigglesworth reportedly did some rough things when praying for the sick like punching people in the stomach, etc. The people got healed also. I believe Wigglesworth was a real holy man of God. The revival in the bible had healings. In the old days of the Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee) there were many genuine healings and miracles. Of course that was never the main goal or the main focus. The focus was Jesus Christ, holy living, evangelism, etc. I hope some of you are not saying healings are a sure sign the revival is not from God or that genuine revival is never accompanied by healings. Read some literature by people who are not cessationalists and you will find many genuine well documented healings and revival on a smaller local level. Most of the early pentecostals lived in rural areas and many were simple with not much education. Try reading something like "Like a Mighty Army" by Charles Conn (History of the Church of God). I have no problems with healings, signs, or miracles. I've also read about Wigglesworth. Although I don't remember reading about him breaking someones tooth out. Wigglesworth also preached from the Bible. My problem with this whole movement isn't the signs, it's the doctrine and in turn what people are seeking. People are seeking "third heaven" revelations, manifestations, ect. Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deu 13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 6, 2008 11:06:28 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtSK9TyduR4 - Is Todd Bentley devil possessed? He talks about how he was "possessed" after being a "a spirit filled born again Christian praying hours a day, reading the New Testament in one sitting. I mean in church... you know I was in men's group on Tuesday night, in church on Sunday, and mass on Monday...."
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 5, 2008 9:37:20 GMT -5
I know that some observers of Wesley's revivals noted uncontrollable weeping and people falling to their faces, but it seemed to be out of remorse for sin and in a cry for redemption through repentance and faithfulness to Jesus Christ. A true revival will always produce holiness, godliness, reverence and faithfulness to Jesus, it will not exalt angels nor mystical powers of men while passing an offering bucket. Exactly. I believe that God can come in very powerful ways. People can even fall as dead... but they don't go out to pizza and a movie afterwards. I've seen people "fall out" and then later go out and eat and then talk about wanting to go see some movie. When God comes people are changed. Drastic changes.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 4, 2008 21:59:58 GMT -5
Just pondering a little bit. Two of my uncles have gone to lakeland and didn't see anything wrong with it for what thats worth. What does a revival in general look like to you guys? People living Matthew 5-7.
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 4, 2008 13:46:54 GMT -5
It's straight from hell.
Todd has encounters with the "angel of finance" and the angel he calls "Emma." He likes to use violence to "bless people." I've seem him knee a man in the gut. I've heard him talk about kicking an old lady in the nose and choking a man. Supposedly God told him to do these things!
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Post by Josh Parsley on Jun 3, 2008 22:57:53 GMT -5
Why is there no atonement made for the angels? Is God unloving or unmerciful towards angelic beings? The Bible is silent on this issue, but I have a perspective which I think is reasonable. Fallen angels have sinned against so much knowledge, having rebelled against so much light, that their case is naturally hopeless, their restoration is impossible. The wills of fallen angels are past recovery, they are eternally reprobate because of the hardness of their own hearts. There is nothing God could possibly do for them to restore them to favor. The amount of light they were exposed to could be why there was no state of probation for angels, why they were in a state of retribution immediately and why they were reprobated instantly. No amount of increased light or knowledge could possibly change their wills. No further revelations of God could possibly be revealed which could subdue their rebellion hearts. Their knowledge is immense and therefore their wills are completely settled. Therefore it might not be an issue of God’s unwillingness, as if God were unwilling to make atonement for them and pardon their rebellion. It might be an issue of their own unwillingness and hardness of heart, that their case is naturally hopeless. So it may not be that God will not restore them, but that God cannot restore them. Any view that we have of the matter must not make us sympathy with rebellious angels over against God, but should make us see the goodness of God and the awfulness of the fallen angels. A proper view of the matter must make us glorify God and His character, while seeing the justice of the condemnation of the sinful angels. If any perspective makes us sympathize with the wicked angels, while questioning the goodness of God's character, it is not and cannot be a proper perspective. Just a few thoughts. My theory is that the angels had no outside influence. All men, including Adam and Eve had something coming from the outside to influence them to sin. In their case it was the Devil himself. But the angels had no influence like that. As far as we know it completely and entirely originated within themselves. Who knows, but it might have never crossed Adam or Eve's mind to eat that fruit since God said not to until Satan mentioned it. EDIT: That probably just adds to what Jesse said. I think what Jesse said goes right along with this.
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Post by Josh Parsley on May 27, 2008 14:20:45 GMT -5
john316yes...you really don't make ANY SENSE sometimes. Do you think things through before you post them? If not, please do. I am not trying to be insulting or anything, I just REALLY wonder about this. I rarely EVER read a post of yours that makes any sense AT ALL... Your taling to a Calvinist, what do you expect? Oh, come on Logic. There is no need for this.
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Post by Josh Parsley on May 27, 2008 9:27:32 GMT -5
Abraham,
Do you believe God causes every single sin that has ever been committed? Whether He does this actively or by not giving men another choice but to sin?
If you don't believe that God causes all sin then you have to believe in some type of free-will. The reason anyone doesn't believe in meticulous sovereignty isn't because they think God is not powerful enough or even that its "unreasonable" in and of itself, but they think that God is too good to cause all sin. And if God doesn't cause all sin either by secret willing or by giving no other choice the only other option is that man choose to sin contrary to God's desire. The heart of anyone who believes in free will isn't that the love man so much that he deserves a free will, but it's because they believe it's a mar to the character of God to say He forces all men at all times to sin. In other words, it stems from a high view of the love and goodness of God rather than a high view of man- contrary to what most think.
PS. No one denies (or should!) that God is sovereign over all things- they just interpret it differently.
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Post by Josh Parsley on May 27, 2008 9:19:48 GMT -5
Your logic is confusing because I think you concentrate too much on free will. John, No, it isn't confusing. Just put some time into thinking about what he says. I don't agree with everything Jesse says but it's really not confusing. Regardless if you agree with him or not, it's really not too hard to understand... Here it is in a nutshell: If you sin, you need to repent- no matter who you are.
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Post by Josh Parsley on May 26, 2008 9:37:02 GMT -5
I interpret this to actually be coming against Calvinism. He is saying that God doesn't give a general call to all mankind and then mock them by actually denying it to most. Wesley is saying that it's mocking the "sons of men" to not to really offer it to them.
What servants of God is he talking about here? Those who believe that God "Doom[ed] them an endless death to die, From which they could not flee— No, Lord! Thine inmost bowels cry Against the dire decree!"?
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Post by Josh Parsley on May 26, 2008 9:28:56 GMT -5
Not all these men agreed with everything that the reformers, Calvin, or the puritans taught. But, one thing was consistent in all of their writing. (The teaching of Original Sin, total depravity, and that regeneration is a wholly a work of God's grace whereby we become willing and obedient.) " Long my imprisoned spirit lay, Fast bound in sin and nature’s night. Thine eye diffused a quickening ray; I woke; the dungeon flamed with light. My chains fell off, my heart was free, I rose, went forth, and followed thee." -Charles Wesley Some of these men had differing views on sanctification, the purpose of the Law, The atonement and it's design, and the full design of God's sovereignty. Charles Wesley did not believe that God decreed the d**nation of the Non-Elect. Others believed that God decreed the d**nation of the non-elect in their sinful disposition after the fall of adam. Others taught that God decreed the d**nation of the non-elect in when they were in neutral disposition before the fall of adam. " Thou can not mock the sons of men, Invite us to draw nigh, Offer thy grace to all, and then Thy grace to most deny!
Fury in god can dwell, God could an helpless world create, To thrust them into hell!
Doom them an endless death to die, From which they could not flee— No, Lord! Thine inmost bowels cry Against the dire decree!
Believe who will that human pain, Pleasing to God can prove: Let Moloch feast him with the slain, Our God, we know, is love.
Lord, if indeed, without a bound, Infinite love Thou art, The horrible decree confound, Enlarge thy people’s heart!
Ah! Who is as thy servants blind; So to misjudge their God! Scatter the darkness of their mind, And shed thy love abroad.
Give them conceptions worthy thee, Give them, in Jesus' face, Thy merciful design to see, Thy all-redeeming grace." -Charles Wesley For those who deny and abhor the doctrines of Origonal sin, the bondage of the will, and Total Depravity... you must also abhor the gospel that Charles Wesley preached. Even John Wesley agreed with Luther and Calvin in some matters of which Pelegians, Classic Arminians, and Open-theist-MGT's would abhor. www.drurywriting.com/keith/wesley.the.calvinist.htmGod bless you! -Abraham This isn't Calvinist theology. This is Arminian theology. Arminian theology isn't moral government theology. There are many differences between the two. Arminian theology- or at least Arminius and John Wesley ie Classical Arminian theology- believed whole heartedly in Original Sin, bondage of the will, and total depravity. They also strongly believed in prevent grace. To get a good grasp on what Arminian theology is really all about I would recommend reading this book: Arminian Theology: Myths And Realities by Roger E. Olson
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Post by Josh Parsley on May 25, 2008 20:06:22 GMT -5
I think I've seen him in that list before. Where do we have proof that he was a calvinist? I've always heard he basically agreed with his brother.
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Post by Josh Parsley on May 23, 2008 20:22:56 GMT -5
Great video. It looks like a great location to preach.
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Post by Josh Parsley on May 22, 2008 10:48:16 GMT -5
I think what he is saying is that you don't go around fixing every part of your life, you receive Christ and then it will be "fixed." Notice he said "it is the fruit of holiness." So, he is saying that "every item of our lives" being holy is the fruit of holiness (Christ) not the cause of it.
At least that's how I interpret what he is saying. Sometimes Nee and those in his movement say things differently.
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