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Post by bullhornbob on Nov 24, 2006 2:12:10 GMT -5
I didn't bail; I just didn't see the post since I only sporadically come to this part of the Board You Said:I never said practice sin. I said sin. Period.You openly confessed that you still sin, but yet are saved from sin. This, again, seems contradictory. RESPONSE: When I was first saved, a day or two after my conversion I burned my thumb in welding class and the name of the Lord came out in a very vain manner; it was my custom to speak such wickedness before conversion; when I burned my thumb it just literally came out with no thought whatsoever in any way; it just did... no temptation "overtook me", as there was no temptation present...i didn't even know I said it until it was over.I immediately asked God to forgive me and began weeping in class that those words came out of my mouth (though no one else heard)....that's different than me saying I'm going to fornicate tonight.You see?...Fornicating is wilful; getting saved and the next day saying a cuss word because I was burned on my thumb was not conciously chosen at all....was it a sin? Of course! Was it wilful and did I CHOOSE to swear? Of course not. You Said: Maybe you can elaborate a little bit on exactly how one chooses to sin even after being saved from sin. I might add that most do not want to accept responsibility for choosing to sin willfully after coming to the knowledge of the truth, ie, being saved from sin. Response: Read above for definition of sin and wilful sin. Conclusion: I'm not privy to your type of questions, which engender only more questions which engender only endless debate on such menial issues; your doctrine on sin is not even correct; you apparently don't know the difference between wilful sin and sinning as I described it above; hence, it's foolish to speak further with you on this issue, because your views in this area are skewed by the ideologies of man's word and not God's Word; hence, I'm through. Dan Wow, I guess you must be right, Dan. I must be wrong, because you say so. The sad part is that I was being very sincere, and actually wanted to have a meaningful discussion on this issue. I even mentioned that I would start a new thread (which I will do soon). I suspect you have an underlying issue with me, and with most of the other open-air preachers on this forum. There is no way you can come to this type of conclusion on my doctrinal view of sin with the minimal amount of discussion we had. You have actually exposed yourself with this response. You are unteachable, disrespectful, and very much deceved, sir. Take a little advice: Stop trying to be right about everything, and learn to be a man of your word. Did you not say you were purged from the spirit of debate? Yet, I see you sticking your nose into every subject you possibly can, out to prove to the world that Dan is right again, and that all other doctrines are foolish. Be careful who you write off as false brethren, sir. Many whom you claim to be in error and false are actually solid, mature, and obedient servants of Christ. Christians are slandered enough by the devil, so why do you continue to slander men of God? Reader beware: Dan is out to prove you wrong! PS: Does the Bible actually make a differentiation between types of sin, like willful, or unwillful, etc? I don't think so. Sin is sin. Period. Jesus said "men loved darkness rather that light.....", so it sounds like either sin, or no sin. Either you love sin and hate God, or you love God and hate sin.
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Post by bullhornbob on Nov 22, 2006 15:17:31 GMT -5
1- Can you show me where I said I practice sin? 2- Can you openly state before all here that you do not at any time ever for any reason whatsoever sin? Thank you in advance for your reply I never said practice sin. I said sin. Period. You openly confessed that you still sin, but yet are saved from sin. This, again, seems contradictory. Maybe you can elaborate a little bit on exactly how one chooses to sin even after being saved from sin. I might add that most do not want to accept responsibility for choosing to sin willfully after coming to the knowledge of the truth, ie, being saved from sin. Thanks Dan! "...................................................................." (The sound of crickets chirping....and tumbleweeds turning) What's up, Dan? You bailed on me. I will try and start a new thread soon concerning sin, as this conversation was not following the original subject of tax evasion, etc....
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Post by bullhornbob on Nov 21, 2006 0:51:04 GMT -5
But, you say that you still sin? I thought you were saved from sin? I have to admit that it seems as though you are contradicting yourself. You say you still sin, but are at the same time saved from sin. Is Christ not powerful enough to take away sin? I am being totally sincere, and I hope you do not read any "tone or inflection" into my posts. Thanks in advance ;D 1- Can you show me where I said I practice sin? 2- Can you openly state before all here that you do not at any time ever for any reason whatsoever sin? Thank you in advance for your reply I never said practice sin. I said sin. Period. You openly confessed that you still sin, but yet are saved from sin. This, again, seems contradictory. Maybe you can elaborate a little bit on exactly how one chooses to sin even after being saved from sin. I might add that most do not want to accept responsibility for choosing to sin willfully after coming to the knowledge of the truth, ie, being saved from sin. Thanks Dan!
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Post by bullhornbob on Nov 20, 2006 12:40:32 GMT -5
What exactly were you saved from, Dan? I was saved from: 1- Sin 2- False Brethren 3- False Doctrine But, you say that you still sin? I thought you were saved from sin? I have to admit that it seems as though you are contradicting yourself. You say you still sin, but are at the same time saved from sin. Is Christ not powerful enough to take away sin? I am being totally sincere, and I hope you do not read any "tone or inflection" into my posts. Thanks in advance ;D
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Post by bullhornbob on Nov 19, 2006 22:50:37 GMT -5
remember, I was saved in a cell. What exactly were you saved from, Dan?
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Post by bullhornbob on Aug 15, 2006 21:52:59 GMT -5
The agape press article contained facts that can be verefied through other sources. The sodomite indoctrination training occurs in college diversity classes (not health class) and also our civil servants must go through the same kind of training. They take pledges to be ALLIES with sodomites and they are told if they believe homosexuality is wrong that they are homophobic. Just pick your favorite University and look up the office of multicultureism or social equity or the womens or queer department. It wil most likely be on their pages that they provide training for the University. Then search sensivity or diversity training and it will probably give you a sechdule of the classes and who is attending. Oh dear Lord Jesus, help the OA preachers to reach these students before the sodomites do! Lord, provide for them gas and food and clothing and BOLDNESS to stand against the sodomite agenda on these campuses. Break the satanic grip on the hearts and minds of the students, and those seeking to indoctrinate the world with the filth of sodomy. Lord God, anoint your preachers now! Give them words of truth and conviction! Help them to stand in the face of adversity, and to give a true answer to every demonic heckler, to every sincere heart as well! Christ is returning soon! Warn everyone!
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Post by bullhornbob on Jun 8, 2006 0:55:15 GMT -5
Praise God, a victory for the street preachers!
I look forward to seeing the rest of the schools across the US challenged with their unlawful permitting, lengthy forms and approval processes imposed on those who already own the right to freely speak on these public campuses.
Thanks for the update, Bro. Jesse!
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Post by bullhornbob on Apr 25, 2006 0:52:08 GMT -5
Heheheh... okay. You want to play this game? Let's play.
First of all, I would just like to say that if you really want to be taken seriously by anyone, you'll stop posting that ridiculously obnoxious "SOUND OFF" tagline and just type your message like a normal person. Now then, on with the game
Morluna, you missed the point. And you call yourself a college student?
The object of the post was to expose your blatant hypocrisy.
You strain at a gnat, while swallowing a camel.
And no, I am not playing games, just trying to stir your thinking (I hope).
So called advocates of "tolerance, peace, and love" are actually very intolerant, violent, and hateful. Why, you even condemn my SOUND OFF as obnoxious, but what about the huge banner at the end of your posts?
You epitomize hypocrisy. Stop crying foul when your breath smells worse than old moldy socks. You have no clue what truth and freedom mean.
You only look to undermine the good and righteous foundations of this country with selfish and sinful lifestyles that you call normal.
Well, the Bible says you are not normal, nor out for the good of the rest of society; but only to please your own greedy, sin-sick soul.
Your only hope is Jesus (or Canada).
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Post by bullhornbob on Apr 23, 2006 23:15:18 GMT -5
So, how do you feel about the War on Terror, as they're calling it? Do you think going to war with Iraq and Afghanistan was justified? Well Morluna, I see that you vehemently oppose this war. It is truly a terrible thing when a young student sticks her foot in her mouth . You see, as an american, you support the war, like it or not. You pay your taxes, you support your government, and you help fund the war. That would make you an accomplice to W's murderous rampage.......guilty by association. I suggest one of two things: #1 - Immediately form a protest/signature campaign to stop all federal income taxes from supporting the war on terrorism. You had better move quickly, though. Every penny deducted from your paycheck or spent as sales tax, etc., spills more innocent blood. #2 - Pack all your stuff, move to Canada, and renounce your allegiance to America, and you can sleep with a clear conscience. Also, judging by most of your posts, I think you would fit in quite snugly with all the liberals north of the border. Oh, and take your foot out of your mouth....it is quite unbecoming and ghastly uncomfortable . SOUND OFF
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Post by bullhornbob on Feb 17, 2008 23:19:12 GMT -5
I think we would all do well to spend less time reading theology and debating it on the computer and more time praying and reading our Bibles. Good word Bro! A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver. (Proverbs 25:11)We should also spend more time obeying what we receive in prayer and doing that which we read in our Bibles!
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Post by bullhornbob on Sept 15, 2007 23:08:36 GMT -5
Brother Eli,
Is changing the way I think considered (biblically) a work?
Or, more specifically, is changing the way I think towards God a prerequisite to being born-again?
JK
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Post by bullhornbob on Aug 26, 2007 21:01:40 GMT -5
I have been away for quite some time. The wife and I are currently working the campuses in Kentucky, and soon Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, the Lord willing.
I am very perplexed at how many people (not all, I might add) believe what others teach out of personal opinion, instead of allowing the Spirit of Truth to teach them through personal prayer and Bible study.
I believe the Spirit showed me these verses about a week or two ago, and I will share them here:
I John 1:5 says "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all."
John 1:9 says "That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."
Another critical verse:
Matthew 18:3 says "Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."
The banned tree in the garden of Eden was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not the tree of sin.
Death was pronounced as a curse on Adam, not sin.
May the Spirit of Truth teach us all, as we fervently seek and obey the Lord Jesus Christ for all of the will of the Father.
I hope this helps, revk.
Please pray for us!
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Post by bullhornbob on May 2, 2007 22:22:15 GMT -5
AMEN JESSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D (my attempt at an exaggerated and fluffy endorsement to Jesse's post)
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Post by bullhornbob on Apr 26, 2007 21:27:25 GMT -5
You know, Jesus was always very intentional in everything that He said and did.
I think where we as preachers can get mixed up is when we begin to do things in the flesh. Even when we attempt to adjust our message to conform to the politically (and often unbiblically) correct hearer.
I personally know that some instances that I have been in did not look good, nor sound good, but I believe my INTENTION was to glorify God, and I was motivated by love.
Who is to say when you cross the line from preaching to debating to arguing to striving? We must exercise the fruit of the Spirit, namely temperance. I think a lot of preachers simply don't know the Bible well enough to defend it soundly, so they wind up striving (see II Timothy 2:15,16,23).
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Post by bullhornbob on Apr 14, 2007 23:27:36 GMT -5
Hey, my avatar says it all!
I think we can get carried away with the pointing at times, and even do it unconciously in the heat of the moment.
It's funny, because I regularly review hours of footage from our preaches, and the Holy Spirit recently convicted me about constantly pointing my finger during one of my segments.
I am not sugeesting that you DON'T point at all, but it can be considered excessive and incisive if used constantly.
I love holding my Bible and pointing with it as I preach.
And yes Kerrigan, people are offended by the content of your message, I am sure. If you preach like Jesus and the prophets preached, expect the same results that they produced.
Matthew 5:10-12 says
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Keep plowing, Brother!
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Post by bullhornbob on Mar 31, 2007 23:09:20 GMT -5
Dan, I appreciate your sincerity, but I post reports about our outreach and preaching and teaching every week. Things I believe will encourage others as they take this gospel to the streets. Real-life reports from the modern day sodom and gomorrah. Rarely do I even get an amen, and practically nobody reads them (you can see the amount of reads and responses for each thread on the main page of each board). I am not complaining, but a little bit of feedback and dialogue would be good. No one is interested in the plowing, planting, and watering. They only want to win debates
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Post by bullhornbob on Apr 7, 2007 1:46:13 GMT -5
'Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.' (Phil 3:12) Romans 6 ? Are we slaves to sin or righteousness ? We cannot be both. Sinner, or Saint? Paul taught perfection. You just don't want to be taught!
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Post by bullhornbob on Apr 7, 2007 1:15:43 GMT -5
T,
Please do not read too much emotion into my text. My apologies for seemingly coming across in the way you insinuated.
I simply see the original post as your "innocent" attempt to prove your denominational stance. I really try to shy away from most debates unless they deal with specific subjects.
Sin is one of those subjects, and God has freed me from sin. I can choose to sin, and I certainly sinned before I knew of sin biblically. I also walked dead in those trespasses and sins for many years, but I did not spend every second of every day in sin. I was simply unaware that the power of God could free me from sin.
So, was I in sin when I wasn't sinning, or was I always constantly comitting sin? The argument you bring to the table with your interpretation of I John is that the saint cannot stop sinning. It is calvinism, and I disagree with John Calvin's teachings.
You are not innocently approaching the subject, as you hope one would think. You are only out to prove that your belief in election and predestination and the soveriegnty of God is correct.
I have explained my view of I John clearly, and will continue to expound on it if you wish. I am not convinced that John Calvin's doctrine on the above mentioned subjects is complete or concrete. If anything, it is heretical to Christ's teaching.
I must always take an innocent approach to God's Holy Word, and listen for the voice of the Holy Spirit to teach me. I will always hold to those teachings of intimacy with the Holy Spirit far above the commentaries of men. Jesus taught His doctrine, and explained to His disciples how that truth would be revealed to them.
The same author of I John, I might add, gives a thorough explanation on this very subject in his gospel.
As far as I am concerned, denominations are of man. I belong to Christ, and I am a Christian. I take His name, and not a man's. I am not a label or doctrinal position, such as Arminian, Calvinist, Open Theist, etc, etc.
I also was not accusing you of being a hypercalv, just asking your opinion on Phelps. Of course, God made him a heretic, if Calvin is right:
Heretic - one who dissents (differs in OPINION)from an accepted belief or doctrine.
No room for opinions in Calvinism, right?
THE BOTTOM LINE: The Church has dug itself into a huge hole, and will soon fall into this pit of divisve strife. I cannot claim to know all of the Bible, or all there is to know about the Lord, BUT I KNOW HIM, AND HE KNOWS ME. I am saved from sin, the very thing that started this whole mess in the garden, and the very reason that Jesus came and died (Matthew 1:21).
I choose to obey, or I choose to disobey. Jesus learned obedience throught the things He suffered (Hebrews 5:7-9). He could have called the legions of angels to aid him in Gethsemane, and exercised His own will. Are you denying that Christ had no choice in the matter, when He clearly reveals his will in the agony of Gethsemane?
Also, your argument of libertarian free will is weak and unsubstantiated. It is calvinism, and stands in opposition to hundreds of scriptural proofs, too many to post here.
You have already posted that you are OKAY with my statement of "us all being a bunch of robots" if calvin was right.
Shall I dug it up?
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Post by bullhornbob on Apr 4, 2007 23:17:21 GMT -5
T,
OK, I took the bait.
I now see the real meaning behind your initial post.
So, with that said, how do you deal with these verses?
Deut 30:19 - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Josh 24:15 - And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
Prov 1:29 - For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
Isa 7:15 - Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
2Pet 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Your Calvinist view is skewed in that it gives man no option to choose. God is not justified in sending the sinner to hell if he has no choice in the matter. Where is the love in that?
Also, I kind of chuckle at your using a commentary by Bur d i c k, nonetheless. Ever think of actually reading a commentary by anyone else besides a Calvinist?
How can you have a love relationship with someone who gives you no choice in the matter?
God created you to sin?
Hell was created for the devil and his angels, but men go there as well? And for something they have no will to turn from?
What about the millions of Jews that were brought out of captivity in Egypt? Did they not choose to grumble, and to believe the 10 with the fearful report?
Or even Abram? Did he not choose to believe God when He spoke to him of his descendants?
It is hilarious that you actually believe you are God's robot, and have no say-so in the matter.
How do you feel about Fred Phelps? Is he saved? Do you condone his actions?
Are you a hyper-Calvinist also?
You are afraid of one word, and one word only:
WORKS!
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Post by bullhornbob on Mar 29, 2007 0:38:35 GMT -5
bullhornbob, I am going to look at some commentaries, I am sure there are subtleties in the greek that we are not understanding, and that will clarify this - English is such a poor language. At first glance, verses 7 and 8 right next to each other do not seem to make sense. You have basically said that verse 7 trumps whatever we may get out of verse 8, what is your reason for this? It is still a problem of interpretation for you, as it is for me - I am still going to look into it You reference verses later on in the book, but I still have to ask you how you deal with 1:8. It seems to contradict your doctrine of perfectionism just as much as you seem to believe these verses contradict mine. Also - I am not doing this in order to create a license for sin. It is very clear that we are not to use our liberty in Christ to sin. I believe that, and so do you, so we are good there. T, Forget the commentaries. They are a waste of time. Maybe other's opinions could benefit at some point and time when God gives direction, but in the infancy of our understanding, it is always best to draw from the pure milk of the word. I state this for myself as well. Please do not misunderstand me. My biblical understanding, for SOOOOO long, was always filtered through what someone "told me" or what I had as my opinion. Only when I laid down my foolish pride, and began to humbly search the scriptures, and asked the HOLY GHOST to teach me, accompanied by my OBEDIENCE to the commands of Jesus, did I begin to realize the following verse: John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.This verse, in context, explains a true convert's heart. It is to obey. Nothing else matters. There is a complete abandonment of self, and of will, to God. It goes on, and in fact the entire chapter, is loaded with pure instruction and teaching from the Christ! You are mistaken in your assumption that I say any part of the Bible trumps/cancels out any other part of the Bible (II Timothy 3:16). You also accuse me of having a doctrine of perfectionism. This word is so taboo with "christians" today. What are you afraid of, God accusing you of trying to be like Him? (Ephesians 5:1) I have no problem with I John 1:8. I have acknowledged my sin, confessed it, forsaken it, and God has shown me mercy (Proverbs 28:13). This is the best way I can explain it to you: As I stated in my first reply, the epistle is meant to be read as a whole, not necessarily verse by verse. It is good to read the letter line by line, but it is more enriching and revealing of the author's intention when read in it's entirety. John seems to oscillate in his writing, as vv. 5, 7, and 9 obviously state one point, while vv. 6, 8, and 10 seem to drive home the other point. It is almost as if John is declaring the same conclusion 3 times in a row. Please read and re-read for clarity. I am in no way professing that I have extracted all the truth from this portion of canon. But in light of the entire epistle, and I hesitate to say "this is the overriding theme", I actually see Chapter 2, verse 1, as just that. 1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: I also would like to add that among all those who post here, you are one of the FEW who can debate with any sense of maturity and civility. This is not a stamp of approval concerning WHAT you believe, but a BIG THUMBS UP on your part for your debating etiquette. ;D EDIT: You never responded to my Hebrews 10:26-29 reference!
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Post by bullhornbob on Mar 28, 2007 1:47:01 GMT -5
Your right it does make perfect sense. Christians sin everyday - that is why we need a daily cleansing (v9). This is not a licence to sin. We are called to live holy, pure lives etc. If we continue in a particuar sin then God will chastise us and/or we will lose our rewards. - NOT OUR SALVATION. So JH, if I read your response correctly, it is OK for Christians to sin and still inherit eternal life, but sinners sin and go to the lake of fire? And we just lose our rewards? Chapter and verse please, as you would say. You also say Christians sin everyday, I say - Speak for yourself. The same epistle says that he who sins is of the devil. Can I be a Christian and of the devil at the same time? Can you not sin for one second, or one minute? How about one hour, or maybe a day? If you can go without sinning for one day, can you go a week, or a month, or even a year without sinning? With man it is impossible - But with God, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. This doctrine of "we are all born sinners, Christians sin every day, we cannot stop sinning" is all a bunch of lies from the father of lies. I am in Christ, and I am free from sin. It does not mean that I cannot choose to sin. The propensity to sin has been removed by Christ. I am full of the Holy Ghost, and I walk in Him. I no longer fulfill the lusts of the flesh, nor give it any provision. I say this very humbly, and in no way want to seem arrogant or proud. That would be a work of the flesh. I am zealous for the Lord, and His truth. Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
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Post by bullhornbob on Mar 28, 2007 1:31:09 GMT -5
tbxi,
I John is meant to be read as an entire epistle. Other verses in the very same chapter clearly deal with walking free from sin. How can you not see that?
This portion of the epistle is actually for those who do not understand why John is engaging this church. It deals with those who do not see the need for repentance, ie, v5- This then is the message........also;
v.5 - God is light, no darkness in Him. v.6 - If we SAY we have fellowship w/Him and WALK IN DARKNESS, we are liars v.7 - ALL SIN is cleansed if we walk WITH HIM
Frankly, I am surprised that you so openly accuse others of erroneous exegete, when you are clearly isolating one verse and building a false doctrine from it.
Again, the entire epistle must be considered. How do you deal with 2:1,6, 3:4-10? I could go on!
Or how about Hebrews 10:26-29?
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
I have studied this for a couple of years, and I see a little clearer now than before. I certainly do not believe Christians are unable to choose to sin. I can wake up tomorrow and run back to all of my old ways, if I so choose.
But this is the clincher - I DON'T WANT TO! I WANT TO SERVE JESUS! I HAVE A NEW HEART, BORN OF THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST. I NOW LIVE TO OBEY HIM. WHY WOULD I WANT TO SIN ANYMORE?
Romans 8:2 says I am FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH! PRAISE GOD FOR HIS WONDROUS WORKS!
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Post by bullhornbob on Mar 11, 2007 20:50:30 GMT -5
Paul,
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Rom 8:14-17)
Are you still doubting? PRAY! (James 5:13)
Ask God to bear witness with your spirit.
I will be praying for you,
JK
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Post by bullhornbob on Jan 28, 2007 22:56:39 GMT -5
It is obvious that I don't believe in free will. If you want to say that makes us robots, go ahead. bullhornbob used the analogy of God controlling us with remote controls - I'm ok with that one too. One thing I might ask you, Tyler: When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray as He did, why did he say "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven?"Could it be that many on the earth are not doing God's will? Or, that people might be able to accept and act upon His will, or also refuse too? And why would Jesus pray in Gethsemane "nevertheless, not my will, but thy will be done" if He really had no say-so in the matter? I sincerely await your response.
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Post by bullhornbob on Dec 26, 2006 16:04:18 GMT -5
Jack, I agree with your post.
I think the passion to seek the truth sometimes comes across as strife, pride, etc.
We barely know anything about each other on these forums, and I often think we should have a system of distinguishing leadership types from newer believers. That would take a lot of time and effort, but it would be worth it.
We all need a good dose of I Peter:
1Pe 5:5-11 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
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Post by bullhornbob on Dec 26, 2006 15:52:51 GMT -5
Blueletterbible.org is better. I agree, Josh!
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Post by bullhornbob on Nov 11, 2006 2:29:40 GMT -5
By the way, why does your account just "start over" every so often and decrease in post number? Come on, everbody knows thumper lives on this board. If his post count doesn't reset every 5,000th post, he will eventually TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE BOARD, and then begin absorbing all other bb's until he CONQUERS THE ENTIRE MESSAGE BOARD WORLD! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! (I am totally being funny, and not at all serious)
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Post by bullhornbob on Dec 17, 2006 23:42:38 GMT -5
To the subject of the argument: saying that original sin (I prefer to speak of total inability because that's really the result of being unregenerate and lost) is a doctrine of devils simply because there are some folks out there who might misapply the doctrine and twist it to their own sinful wants and passions, is fallacious. It is just like saying that eternal security is wrong because there is some foolish man out there who thinks he's "once saved always saved" and therefore is headed to the bars and nightclubs to get wasted, because after all, he's "eternally secure". It is utter fallacy to say that just because someone abuses a doctrine, that doctrine is false. tbxi, This is the reason we have forums such as this. I appreciate the civil attitudes and humble responses thus far. I hope you in no way take offense to my comments, and I assure you, I have scriptural backing for them. Pure doctrine is derived from scripture. II Tim. 3:16 James declares the difference between Godly wisdom, and earthly wisdom. James 3:13-18 If I teach a doctrine devoid of scriptural foundation, I am teaching my own doctrine, and ultimately the devil's doctrine. Most people believe they inherit a sin nature just because they heard a preacher say it, or read it in a book, etc. I say this with all sincerity......MOST PEOPLE ARE TOO LAZY TO STUDY THE SCRITURES FOR THEMSELVES. THEY WANT TO BE SP OON FED AN EAR-TICKLING DOCTRINE THAT WILL SATISFY THEIR LUSTS, AND GIVE THEM HEAVEN WITHOUT HAVING TO FORSAKE SIN. I am very blessed to have been challenged by godly folk pertaining to some of my beliefs in the past, and have absolutely no regrets to this day for listening to them. I asked God to help me understand His truth, searched the word for myself on this issue, and came out with virtually no backing for the OS doctrine, and lots of scriptures to refute it. My advice - take off the filters of man's teaching, and search the word for yourself. You will be truly blessed. Acts 3:26
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Post by bullhornbob on Dec 15, 2006 23:48:30 GMT -5
A little more of what I have been pondering........
Most people who cling to the OS (Original Sin) view are actually trying to do exactly what Adam and Eve did in the garden. God confronted Adam directly, and he defaulted to Eve, and she to the serpent. Passing the buck, so to speak.
I believe that OS is taught by men to help make the Christian comfortable in sin, and to remove responsibilty from the individual. I do not see scripture teaching every man being judged according to "one man's sin," but each for his own actions and choices.
If I am born a sinner, and always will be a sinner, than I get to sin my way through life, and DEATH becomes my savior, not Jesus. I will only have victory over sin when I die.
Lies. Flat out lies. Jesus saves from sin and hell. Period.
OS, in my opinion, is actually a doctrine of devils. One of many that the liar has weaved into "modern christianity."
PS - This thread is great!
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Post by bullhornbob on Dec 15, 2006 10:35:17 GMT -5
Bob, who was James written to? To limit the Book of James, or any part of the Holy Bible, exclusively to Christians will obviously remove the power of the Word of God to reach the sinner. I understand who it was originally penned to, but I will not limit it's abilty to reach and change all men. Many verses are used throughout James for saint and sinner alike. James says "each man," so I will go with that.
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