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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 16, 2009 21:18:23 GMT -5
I suspect that Augustine's doctrine of original sin is given no room for debate, not because it is central to the gospel, but because it is one of the foundations of Calvinism. DING! DING! DING! DING! We have a winner Bob! Tell him what his prize is: RWRF, you are the next non-Calvinist to be called a "HERETIC"! And you qualify for the grand prize as well: Burned at the take my GREEN WOOD in Geneva! Well, at least Calvinists will finally "get it" (understand God is what I mean) when they stand in judgment.
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 16, 2009 13:30:16 GMT -5
Yeah, he talks out of both sides of his mouth, just like most Paul Washer-like Calvinists...
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 16, 2009 12:07:45 GMT -5
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 14, 2009 19:45:30 GMT -5
That would definitely make sense. So she/he is schizophrenic? I wonder if it is really a he or a she?
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 14, 2009 10:53:08 GMT -5
"BOB", let me know if you need help with a new custom tract. I'll give you the shock & awe street preacher discount...
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 12, 2009 23:41:51 GMT -5
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 12, 2009 22:40:54 GMT -5
Sorry I didn't see a question in that last post, Rev. what actually would you like me to comment on? Hey Don, just go back and read my last reply to you. Look for the symbols that look like this: ? You will find questions in front of them
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 11, 2009 18:59:16 GMT -5
Well, "judgment", you've been pretty bold with all the statements you've made since joining today around 4:15pm. You obviously seem to know Dan and claim to know many of us. If you are so bold, why don't you start by telling us your name
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 11, 2009 16:53:03 GMT -5
Any response to my last post Don?
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 9, 2009 19:37:28 GMT -5
I don't see the problem. If we never sinned, there would be no sins that need to be atoned for. Only the sick need a doctor (Matt. 9:12; Mk. 2:17; Lk. 5:31). Only sinners need a Savior. If we never sinned, we wouldn't need Jesus. I don't see a problem with what Jesse said above. What problem do you have with it? Do you think that people who haven't sinned need forgiveness or a Savior? Or do you think that Jesse is saying that there are people out there that haven't sinned and therefore don't need a Savior? I disagree. I say that your being a Calvinist has A LOT to do with it. You believe that people are "born sinners", are sinners "by nature" and that no one can stop sinning. If I believed those things, I would probably call Jesse's gospel "false". However, since I don't (and Jesse doesn't), he could just as easily call your "gospel" false. Sinners DO need to repent of their sins and believe in Christ in order to be forgiven of their sins. There is no question about that. The questions are, "Who are sinners?", "When do people become sinners?" and "How do people become sinners?" My answers are: People who have come to the state of accountability and have willfully chosen to sin, at the age of accountability and by choosing to disobey God's law. Your answers are probably: Everyone (including babies), when Adam sinned, by being conceived by another human. There is a world of a difference! If you are consistent, from your point of view, all babies who die as babies go to Hell because they have no ability to repent of their sins and trust in Jesus. Babies aren't sinners and therefore have no need of forgiveness. As Joe has already stated though, they need Jesus for redemption from death and Hades. While I hold that hypothetically someone could go their whole life without sinning, the only person who has done so is Jesus. If someone DID go their whole life without sinning, they would have trusted Christ and followed Him from the very moment of accountability. Anyway, I don't see anything false about what Jesse has said and I preach with him all the time and know that he doesn't preach a "false gospel."
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 9, 2009 19:19:16 GMT -5
Jesse. thanks for answering my question however it saddens me to see someone with you zeal for reaching the lost is doing it with a false gospel. Jesse I know you don't know you me, but I must beg of you to please repent of making a false god and humble yourself before the true God that offers you salvation. I know that I am sounding harsh but please realize that I am doing this out of concern for your soul Jesse. I will be praying for you. Don, I'd like to know what Jesse has said that is not from the Bible. You are a Calvinist, aren't you? If so, then Jesse could very easily repeat what you have said above to you. Why don't you address the things that he has said that are false and have therefore led to his "false gospel". This would be much more productive and convincing then saying what you have said above...
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Post by Kerrigan on Feb 7, 2009 20:51:52 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Bill! Great Testimony!
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 29, 2009 20:41:18 GMT -5
That's Great!
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 28, 2009 10:26:26 GMT -5
That's great Joel! Thanks for being faithful!
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 25, 2009 14:25:39 GMT -5
Hey brother. I don't think that you did anything wrong when you preached the truth. The fact is that when you preach the truth, many will get very offended. Often times it doesn't even matter if you preach it in a way of rebuking or if you preach it tenderly. You will get the same response both ways in my experience. The only difference will be in the intensity of the response. In other words, people who are going to reject it would have rejected it either way, but if you are rebuking them they may get visibly mad where if you are tenderly telling them the truth they may just get mad quietly.
A similar situation to yours happen to in March 2007. I was the Associate Pastor of a Nazarene Church in Raleigh, NC. The Pastor was going away for a week or so and asked me to fill-in and preach. I broke my leg about a week before I was scheduled to preach. I wasn't able to be at the Church meeting place the week before, so I had no idea what the order of service would be, etc. I really sought the Lord in prayer the week before as I was laid up in bed. I wrote down that the Lord wanted me to talk about raising money to do mission trips overseas and not reaching out to people in our own community. Well, right before I got up to preach that morning, they did a skit about golfing as a fundraiser for a mission trip to Africa. I didn't hold back as I believe that the Lord gave me the Word.
It turns out that many people got very angry about my message. There were a few that walked out during it and most had their arms crossed and a deer in headlights look on their faces. There were some who liked it and even one youth who got soundly saved. BUT, I got a lot of flack for the sermon as a whole. Shortly after, I was let go as Associate Pastor. I really think that sermon had something to do with it. People were saying that if they heard that I was going to be preaching that they wouldn't show up or would walk out during the sermon. He got lots of emails, voicemails, etc.
As far as the fellowship is concerned, just keep praying and seeking for it. Maybe look for a local home fellowship. At the least, I would go from local Church to local Church trying to minister to the people at those local Churches as well as the Pastors. With John and family leaving for Kentucky, I will probably be doing the same. Jesse's family and my family will still fellowship at times, but I will just continue teaching my family the Word of God, praying, etc. Hope that helps brother. God Bless...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 25, 2009 10:06:29 GMT -5
Whatever happened Edward, just get up, repent and keep following Jesus!
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 22, 2009 21:18:54 GMT -5
Mary sinned and had more than one child...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 17, 2009 23:35:42 GMT -5
logic, I think what Jesse means is that the mind affirms that what it is hearing is true and that the conscience bears witness. Whether or not the sinner submits to the truth that he knows is true is up to him. If he refuses to submit to the truth that is revealed to him, then he is suppressing the truth in unrighteousness...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 16, 2009 19:29:19 GMT -5
Praise God brother! That's great! So, where's the first place that you are going to take it?
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 14, 2009 21:44:04 GMT -5
From this laundry list of quotes that Jesse just posted, it seems that dennonaire has some splaining to do...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 14, 2009 18:45:38 GMT -5
I know of no one who is even suggesting that sanctification can be attained without Christ! Who do you know who is?Charles Finney said it He spoke of entire sanctification , on the ground of natural ability. Everything Finney wrote about was with the understanding that such things come only by the influence of the Holy Spirit. Edited to add: This is especially plain when reading his autobiography. PLUS, Finney taught that there was no forgiveness or remission of past sins without the blood atonement of Christ. Without the sin offering of Christ, it wouldn't matter how holy you are presently living or will live in the future. Your past sins are still counted against you!
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 14, 2009 11:55:00 GMT -5
Unfortunately that is not a response to Steve's question.... Well, the question wasn't asked of me. I think that you know my response, as I've already given it MANY times...you NON-Damnable Heretic! ;D
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 13, 2009 23:05:54 GMT -5
They are strong words Brother Paul, but no more strong than Jon's were...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 13, 2009 23:04:28 GMT -5
Hey Jesse, Do you have a Spring Itinerary yet? Where are you preaching at these days? I am back at UNF this week, and guess who I saw on Monday? Batman Hey John, Jesse and I will be preaching together most of the semester. Here is my schedule so far: CLICK HERE
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 12, 2009 23:38:42 GMT -5
Praise God! Wow! What an eventful night in downtown Greenville, NC. Wish I could have been there!
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 12, 2009 23:22:54 GMT -5
I thank God for little Nolan! Keep it up brother! I'd like to fast forward 10-15 years and see where he will be... ;D
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 11, 2009 21:03:19 GMT -5
People deserve hell because they are sinful that simple. What causes God to be just is he infinitly Holy. Unless God himself imputes his rightouesness to you you will go to a fire burning hell forever. His goodness is not infused but rather imputed based on his mercy alone. What God starts he always finishes. jsides, I don't think there is any argument against sinful people deserving hell. The contention, which you still haven't dealt with, is why or how or even when people become sinners. The Biblical answers are they are tempted and use their free will wrongly, and they become sinners when they reach the state of accountability. If you are going to say God is Holy, then there must then be a standard of what is "Holy" and what is "unholy". I believe that God has that perfect standard within Him. It is not an arbitrary thing where God can just do whatever He wants and whatever He does is Holy. For example, IF God were to lie, He wouldn't be Holy. There is a standard by which God holds Himself to and by which we can know whether He is Holy or not. What do you mean by "imputed"? If you mean "transferred", then you are wrong for that is not what the Greek word translated as "imputed" means. Impute simply means "count as" or "consider as". God will consider a sinner righteous or count a sinner as righteous if the right conditions are met: 1) A blood atonement by a sinless, perfect person (only Jesus can fulfill this condition and He has) 2) A sinner decides to stop sinning 3) A sinner trusts in the one who made the blood atonement As far as your last statement, "What God starts he always finishes", I suppose that is referring to "Perseverance of the Saints"? What Bible verses do you have to back that up? I agree that IF monergism were correct (which it isn't), that one would never lose their salvation, but the Bible teaches Synergism. Therefore salvation can be forfeited after it is accepted. One CAN depart from the faith, fall away or be cut off. This is what the Bibles teaches. Here's a few verses regarding that issue (just for starters): John 15:1-6, 1 Corinthians 10:1-12, Hebrews 3:7-4:1
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 7, 2009 21:15:39 GMT -5
How do you guys read these? no pages show up. It's just a description of the books. Hey Steve, if you can't get them to work, go to www.LibraryOfTheology.com Most of the ones that you would be able to read at the link above are already on the Library of Theology website sorted under subjects in the Theological Writings section...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 6, 2009 22:42:36 GMT -5
jsides, if God had eternally predestined certain people to Hell, then why would the Word of God even say that it was originally created for the devil and his angels? Why wouldn't it of said that it was created for everyone who would go there? I didn't say that you had to have proof for when Hell was created, just wondering if you did or not. For there to be a Hell before humans were created, Satan would of had to of sinned before humans were created. I believe that all of the angels were part of the 6 day creation. I know that we don't know exactly when Satan and a third of the angels fell, but it would seem really unlikely that they sinned right after they were created and before Adam was created on the 6th day...
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Post by Kerrigan on Jan 6, 2009 21:58:29 GMT -5
jsides, what proof do you have for this statement? Also, who do you believe Hell was created for? As far as your response to my last post, it is not about convincing me to be a Calvinist or me convincing you to stop being one. It's about discussing the Scriptures. That's what I thought we were doing. Are you bailing out now or do you have a response to my last post. I'm open to being wrong, as long as it can be shown that I am wrong from the Bible. Are you open to Calvinism being wrong, because it doesn't seem like it? I'm here to help those who are "on the fence" as well. God forbid that they become Calvinists! That would be horrible! ;D
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