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Post by John McGlone on Dec 26, 2008 21:35:45 GMT -5
yeah Bro Ross needs a banner!
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Post by John McGlone on Dec 15, 2008 22:26:26 GMT -5
The list tbxi posted is a 'good' Calvinist list, but none of those verses prove original sin, they only prove that we all sin and that God will hold us accountable for the same.
I watched a video today on original sin and they used Gen 5:3 as a proof for original sin because Seth was made in Adam's fallen image(pre supposition)
And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
So I thought I would look up a few scriptures about this 'image of God vs. Adam' situation. I will post them here and let you draw your own conclusions. You can see some passages that seem to support and others that seem to detract from this understanding.
Gen 9:6 Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.
•Ps 106:19-21 They made a calf in Horeb, And worshiped the molded image. Thus they changed their glory Into the image of an ox that eats grass. They forgot God their Savior, Who had done great things in Egypt,
•1 Cor 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
•1 Cor 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
•2 Cor 3:17-18 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
•Col 3:9-11 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.
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Post by John McGlone on Dec 15, 2008 22:16:29 GMT -5
You are right Steve, I find over and again that people just react when challenged about a doctrine that they have just accepted without really examining it thoroughly.
The lady who called and was not reasonable in her discussion about this issue has emailed me and continued the personal attacks against us. I have proposed a debate with her after the NewYear, I hope she will accept. She is just starting a blogtalkradio channel herself.
When asked about her thoughts about Ez 18, she gave a dispensational brush off.
If I remember correctly Kerrigan gave her the chapter and verse she was trying to use; Rom 5:12 then Jesse gave her Rom 9:11 she began to attack us personally and is still calling us liars, lost, and proud men that won't believe the Bible.
I look forward to hearing the debate also. I'm thinking it will cause no small stir. Amen! ;D
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Post by John McGlone on Dec 15, 2008 22:01:43 GMT -5
ouch!
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Post by John McGlone on Dec 14, 2008 23:32:30 GMT -5
For Christians:
Brother John Sun is traveling from NYC to New Orleans to Dallas, TX starting Dec 23 on a mission trip for Jesus. He could use some host homes helps on his way there and back. If you could help this brother out let him know at this email:
johnsun721@yahoo.com
Matt 25:35
God bless and keep you.
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Post by John McGlone on Dec 6, 2008 10:07:17 GMT -5
Finney said something interesting in His Revival Lectures:
The Bible speaks on this subject, precisely as we speak on common subjects. There is a man who has been very ill. How natural it is for him to say of his physician: "That man saved my life." Does he mean to say that the physician saved his life without reference to God? Certainly not, unless he is an infidel. God made the physician, and He made the medicine too. And it never can be shown but that the agency of God is just as truly concerned in making the medicine take effect to save life, as it is in making the truth take effect to save a soul. To affirm the contrary is downright atheism. It is true, then, that the physician saved him; and it is also true that God saved him.. It is equally true that the medicine saved his life, and also that he saved his own life by taking the medicine; for the medicine would have done no good if he had not taken it.
Simply as I understand it, there are influences at work in the salvation of a sinner. None of these are forced, but are plainly revealed.
1. God the Holy Spirit brings conviction of sin by a preacher, tract, or God's Bible, vision, dream, situation, etc 2. The Truth has been revealed to the mind/heart of the sinner 3. The sinner submits by his own freewill to God's authority and therefore he takes the needed medicine and is thereby saved.
Logic I am not sure this clearly deals with what you are asking, but I thought it worthwhile to the topic as I am trying to better understand all of these things myself.
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Post by John McGlone on Dec 4, 2008 21:18:13 GMT -5
The government will be upon His shoulders.
His Kingdom will come, therefore He must be a King. Our King of kings is a noble and loving ruler desiring the good of all. Unfortunately, most are rebels outside of His Kingdom.
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Post by John McGlone on Dec 1, 2008 23:41:05 GMT -5
You can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens you.
Praying for you.
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 28, 2008 22:59:55 GMT -5
Why not sandwich Signs and not rigid boards? We must ask Ruben this one. I think that would be called a 'Rueben Sandwich'. ;D
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 28, 2008 22:56:39 GMT -5
That's great Brian, I prayed for you guys and I did not even know you were going out! ;D
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 18, 2008 23:30:49 GMT -5
It will be, I look forward to it.
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 17, 2008 8:05:09 GMT -5
Great job Brian! I got to get one of the tall ones you make, getting windier now. God bless you bro, keep up the great work.
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 15, 2008 1:06:04 GMT -5
Man killed when bicycle collides with large truck TIMOTHY BULLARD/Daily Courier This was the scene at G and Southwest Dimmick streets after a fatal bicycle accident Thursday. The dump truck in the background was involved in the incident. By Jim Moore of the Daily Courier Comments (No comments posted.)
A Grants Pass man died Thursday afternoon when the bicycle he was riding collided with a large truck. The crash occurred on G Street near Oak Street. Dead is James Shelvy Jones, 40, of Grants Pass.
Detectives reported that a Moser Paving truck driven by Gerald Eugene Mercer, 73, was involved in the accident, which occurred around 1:27 p.m.
The truck may have been coming from a nearby construction zone, farther west on G Street.
Otis Farrell said he was riding a bicycle westbound on G Street and was a witness to the crash.
He said the bicyclist was northbound and did not stop before entering G Street, apparently from Oak Street, in front of the eastbound truck.
The truck swerved to its left, but "the truck driver didn't have a chance to hit his brakes," Farrell said.
More than a dozen public safety personnel, two fire trucks, an ambulance, a police motorcycle, several police cars and two public safety pickups converged on the scene. A section of G Street was closed and traffic was detoured around the scene.
The investigation is ongoing and anyone who witnessed the accident or has any information is asked to call the detective division of the Grants Pass Department of Public Safety at 474-6370. o o o
Reach reporter Jim Moore at 474-3721 or jmoore@thedailycourier.com
Sad day, but the Lord delights in the death of His saints! Ps 116:15
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 14, 2008 7:41:27 GMT -5
Is Israel Gods Chosen people? To answer you must go to scripture the bible tells us all of Isreal will be saved not might be saved but will be saved. The bible also tells us not all of Israel is of Israel can u be an ethnic jew be born in Isreal and not saved sure if you have not believed on the Messiah. The question is yes Israel is Gods chosen people the remaining question who is Israel all those who have repented of there sin and believed on the Messiah. Is Jesus part of the elect? This question is like asking if Jesus is a CHRISTIAN. Christ is the one who does the electing. The word Israel means, 'governed by God.' So most of us you will find here that we love and submit to God's governance. We want to obey our Savior. So I don't disagree with your assessment that ethnic or national Israel is not governed by the Messiah. The point of me asking if Jesus is the elect because the Bible calls Him that. The Bible also calls the saints and angels elect also. Why is that important? Because we need to understand how the term applies to a group of people vs. an individual God arbitrarily picked from the foundation of the world.
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 13, 2008 22:21:11 GMT -5
1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. BORN OF GOD = SINNETH NOT This is not hard to understand. Then the sinner asks, what if he sins? I've heard Satan say, "you will surely not die." I would like to believe that, but Satan has been lying from the beginning. Ezekiel 18:26-28 In plain English, this is not hard to understand. When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die. Again, when a wicked person turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he shall save his life. Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions that he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 1 John 2:29 If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him. JUST IN CASE someone told you that you can sin sin sin sin sin, and still have God smile at you. Maybe it's a good idea to start practicing righteousness without doing injustice. But maybe it's true that God is smiling at you! Read these verses! Deuteronomy 28:63 And as the LORD took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the LORD will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you. And you shall be plucked off the land that you are entering to take possession of it. Ezekiel 5:13 Thus shall my anger spend itself, and I will vent my fury upon them and satisfy myself God is good. His kindness leads us to repentance. Not hard to understand. That's good!
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 12, 2008 23:12:36 GMT -5
The FEAR of God is the beginning of wisdom. I believe in the Living God of the Bible because the contrary is impossible!
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 12, 2008 22:09:16 GMT -5
That's great.
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 11, 2008 8:44:34 GMT -5
bump
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 10, 2008 22:56:07 GMT -5
Jon, I was wondering why you have joined the 'heretics' board? Aren't you concerned someone might be 'lurking' in the background and report you to some of the more orthodox boards where they ban saints and sinners are not allowed? Well, I guess 4 posts in 1.5 years they would give you a lighter charge.
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 10, 2008 22:40:14 GMT -5
Sorry brother, but I believe strongly in Once Saved/Always Saved IF that act of redemption is sincere. I believe in speaking out against this you might be sincere , but sincerely wrong. Can you explain this better? 2 Peter 2:20-22
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 10, 2008 22:37:33 GMT -5
Uh, excuse me people, but wasn't my post intended as asking advice in dealing with some of these nonbelieving people on the board as I assumed some of you have been dealing with them longer than me, not to become a debate on opposing doctrine? Can we get back to the subject at hand? Its eems like you all are too busy fighting over doctrine to worry about the lost? I am sure if any of them log on to this section by chance they will have a great laugh at the diversion seen here. How does this edify Christ? Good point, about thread control. Welcome back logic and tbxi. FS, My counsel would be not to let the comments of the lost concern you too much. The natural mind is at war with God, how do you think they will treat you, just a servant of Him? If you have shared the whole counsel of God, then they are responsible for what you have shared. If you are witnessing/preaching with the wrong heart toward them, then God will hold you responsible for that. We plant and water seeds, God grants the increase when they submit to His authority.
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 10, 2008 21:14:18 GMT -5
Brothers and Sisters, Check out this brother's vision for the Lord's work and consider giving until it hurts. I am praying for them and myself about these matters. www.gospelhouse.info/index.html Matt 25:32-46 See the remainder of the email below, please forward this to everyone. This is not an urban legend, it is real Christianity at it's best. in Christ, John McGlone James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. Greetings Friends, I hope this email finds you blessed and in service to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. In these last days we must discipline ourselves to live for Him and redeem the time. I am sending you this email as a plea for the helpless children of Jamaica. Recently, the Lord put a burden on my heart to begin a work in Jamaica helping the most helpless, the children. Larry Craft , Rick Maggiacomo, myself, and many others are working to set up an orphanage/foster home in Jamaica . Matt Jacobson, a faithful brother in the Lord, has put together a website for us so that we might promote our vision to others and seek help in making this happen. We have found a property in Jamaica that would be perfect for this ministry, The Gospel House. It is an abandoned coffee farm sitting on 53.5 acres with buildings already on it. This property will afford us the opportunity to farm the land, becoming financially self-reliant, and not needing to continuously beg for donations. I have provided an attachment that shows a Platt map view of the property. The cost of this farm is $230,000.00 which is beyond my personal ability to fund, but not so for the body of Christ. If we, as a body, give as we purpose in our hearts, cheerfully, not out of necessity, God will honor that and cover the rest. We, The Gospel House, are a non-profit foundation 501(c)3 which allows your contributions to be tax deductible. Please check out the website, read the articles, watch the videos, and view the pictures of the children. They are precious and need your help. Together we can do this and I believe God will not only provide a home for these children, but will also raise them up to be faithful servants unto Him. PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO ALL OF YOUR CONTACTS AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO GLORIFY GOD AND CONSIDER GIVING TO THE POOR AND HELPLESS CHILDREN OF JAMAICA. THIS IS EXCITING NEWS FOR THE LORD'S WORKERS!
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 1, 2008 21:47:01 GMT -5
2 Pet 2
If we can not discern the false from the true how do we know what to hold to and what to discard?
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Post by John McGlone on Nov 1, 2008 19:43:25 GMT -5
I saw this report by bobby BIBLE and Bro Jed and had quite a laugh. My wife thinks I am goofy when I bust out laughing about the preachers that God has so marvelously used and is using even today: BRO JED CONTINUES TO SHOW EXCEEDING LOVE AND PATIENCE WITH ALL STUDENTS JUST AS HE HAS DONE FOR DECADES....HE BOLDLY STRONGLY PREACHES GOSPEL BUT THEN TAKES QUESTIONS AND CARES FOR THE STUDENTS ANSWERS AS IF THEY WERE HIS OWN KIDS!!!!!! AS A never married never lived with woman 3rd class MATT. 19 EUNUCH i find this love and care.......ADMIREABLE ......SUCH LOVE SUCH PATIENCE I PONDERED! SISTER PAT IS 80, I AM 70 AND BRO JED LOOKS 60.....i keep trying to expose BRO JED AS A HYPOCRITE BY TRYING TO PULL HIS WIG OFF ...... WHY MUST JED HAVE THIS ELVIS PRESELEY VIRIL YOUNG STUD HEAD OF HAIR WHILE ....poor RUBEN, mitch , webber, ELISHA,and Kerrigan struggle going bald embarassingly..ROMANS 6:23 SAYS THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH....JED DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE DYING....DOES THIS MEAN HE HAS SINNED LESS THAN THE BALD HEADS ......YES I THINK SO!!! why JED PAT & bob are on campus PREACHING !!!!!!!!!FULL HEADS OF HAIR ...but i cannot remove his head of hair ....IT SEEMS REAL ...BRO JED HAS BEEN SINLESS TO MY KNOWLEDGE AND WHY HE IS STILL ON CAMPUSES WITH PAT PREACHING STRONG & YOU ALL SHOULD SUPPORT HIM! As my good friend David from Norfolk would say: AMEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNN???p.s. I did a little addition to the original write up by bobby. First one to email me with the correct answer will win a prize that a preacher would value.
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Post by John McGlone on Oct 31, 2008 16:11:36 GMT -5
Great testiminy Chris, I have prayed for you.
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Post by John McGlone on Oct 29, 2008 22:27:19 GMT -5
That's great brother, we missed you at SOAPA.
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Gays
Oct 28, 2008 23:36:27 GMT -5
Post by John McGlone on Oct 28, 2008 23:36:27 GMT -5
I have a cousin and a daughter in this lifestyle. It is horrible and confusing to the family. Of course we have to be sensitive to be loving as we tell them the truth. But, they are not victims here, they are willingly doing that which is unnatural. It is a lie from hell. We need to boldy and gently get to these issues and deal with them biblically. They will probably reject you as they have the Savior. But, don't let that sway you to hold back or water down the message. All I can do now is pray for more witnesses and they would submit to God's authority. Amen.
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Post by John McGlone on Oct 27, 2008 21:48:03 GMT -5
What is so great about it? Art, you are vain and without purpose, but Jesus will give you life!
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Post by John McGlone on Oct 23, 2008 10:35:27 GMT -5
Great summary brother! I am just starting to grasp this for use in the open air, it has taken 5-6 months of study/meditation. It is awesome as it frustrates the unbeliever to at least admit that without God nothing can be known.
RC, are you pre supposing the Baptist confession is true according to the Bible? What if it is not? What if you are not understanding it correctly, or applying it as God expects you to.
Presuppositional apologetics even will invade into different theological worldviews. ;D
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Post by John McGlone on Oct 22, 2008 22:38:36 GMT -5
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